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― emsk ( emsk), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)
(this is all going from slightly shaky memories of the book, though, so I could be wrong)
doesn't he mention some connection to the dutch too?
I don't remember this at all - but, Holland can also refer to a large part of the South Lincolnshire fenland.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)
― emsk ( emsk), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)
I'm sure there was something approaching an oil refinary mentioned somewhere. I might be imagining it though.
Before drainage, the Lincolnshire Fens and the Yorkshire marshes were all connected anyway. There was a more-or-less continuous belt of fen from the Wash through to the Trent valley, and it was an important trading route, with Boston, the largest port in the country outside London, at one end.
(the Yorkshire fens - usually called Moors even though they're nothing like moorland as you imagine it - are a large, flat, bog formed where the Trent, Ouse, Aire and Don meet to form the Humber)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)
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LA Times puff piece on things but there's some useful bits among the slop.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2007 03:33 (nineteen years ago)
that article ends kind of abruptly!
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 May 2007 03:41 (nineteen years ago)
SEQUEL
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 May 2007 03:42 (nineteen years ago)
my daemon is a fox.
― milo z, Monday, 21 May 2007 03:45 (nineteen years ago)
Okay, so. As muttered above, I've had the damn thing sitting around for a bit and had promised myself I would obv. read it all before the movie came out. I'd mentioned the books to a friend of mine, she went and got her own copy from the library and started to read it and I was all, "Okay, it's a sign."
So I read the first one today. Lived up to all the promise. And to celebrate I then saw the trailer, which I'd carefully avoided until now. This'll be good. (But isn't Mrs. Coulter supposed to be a brunette?)
More thoughts on all the books when I've read them all...
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:20 (nineteen years ago)
Read in a single day? Even with all those long words like 'magisterium'? I think you'll like the second one (The Subtle Knife) even more. It really does build the momentum.
― Huey in Melbourne, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:45 (nineteen years ago)
...as for the brunette issue, Pullman stated he originally wrote the part with Nicole Kidman in mind, and she is, lest we forget, a gingah. I think in the film her golden blonde hair will set her apart from the witches, i.e. Eva Green and her dark ilk.
― Huey in Melbourne, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:47 (nineteen years ago)
Read in a single day? Even with all those long words like 'magisterium'?
It's a quick read! And I don't mean that as an insult, rather as a sign of appreciation -- he takes you into the world created very easily and the various characters and plot points are quick to grasp, if the deeper theology requires reflection. Also, the setting reminded me a hell of a lot of Randall Garrett's Lord D'Arcy stories, of which I'm v. fond, so it was easy to accept an alternate England/Earth setting mixing the supernatural and the technical.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:08 (nineteen years ago)
i mainlined the first two over last weekend. they remind me more of l'engle than lewis, carroll, or rowling â and the writing is much lovelier, to boot.
― remy bean, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:31 (nineteen years ago)
i'm a lion named sophia
― remy bean, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:34 (nineteen years ago)
L'Engle! That's a *sharp* comparison -- as soon as I read that it all clicked on that front.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:34 (nineteen years ago)
Randall Garrett's Lord D'Arcy stories
totally forgot about those, i loved them.
i'm surprised most of the initial rush of hype isn't even mentioning the anti-theist angle. i guess they're saving that up for the big arts-section think pieces this fall.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:49 (nineteen years ago)
in the meantime, i'll be preparing my rebuttal.
― remy bean, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:51 (nineteen years ago)
Unsurprisingly, given the fact it's US-financed, the 'anti-theist' angle has been toned down in the film in favour of a more generic 'anti-authoritarian' slant. Even Pullman's backtracking a bit, saying that the 'Magisterium' might denote an umbrella organisation of all kinds of wickedness, not just the Catholic Church, as so brazenly alluded to in the books.
― Huey in Melbourne, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:53 (nineteen years ago)