Also just cos Threepio has been programmed with a Received Pronunciation accent doesn't mean he isn't an oppressed prole too. Robot class is no way = upper class
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Fucking aristocracy makes him carry their secret messages up his arse for a start
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, but C3PO is a "protocol droid", i.e. built for a white collar job. Can you imagine him doing manual work?
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― Tuomas, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Plus in a Galaxy where the aristos speak like Luke/Leia who's to say Threepio's accent isn't a signifier of servitude?
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, it's quite obvious that all the droids are built for servitude. But within the internal classification of the droids, C3PO most certainly is white collar and not blue collar.
― Tuomas, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Come to think of it, in what way are robots worse off under the Empire? They're like slaves being conned to defend their own slavedom by the patrician Rebels who will then turn round and say "cheers for that guys, now stfu and get my dinner ready"
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
you don't really find out all that shit though until the second and third movies. in the first one luke is just a moisture farmer done good!
― real eyes realize real truffle fries (dyao), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
fyi next three Star Wars movies are about C3P0 and R2 killin all humans
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
3pio is clearly a class-climbing whore like madonna -- racist against wookies, too.
are cops blue collar? because there's a whole set of -cops things: timecop, space cops, robocop
actually, it's a lot harder to think of SF movies without a blue collar hero!
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
man NV is doing some real hardcore nietzschean reversing of the magnetic poles right now
― real eyes realize real truffle fries (dyao), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
You can't have a white collar/blue collar distinction in slavery, just cos as far as we know the Threepio units don't get their hands dirty doesn't mean they aren't pawns of The Man just as much as their spaceship-fixing bros
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Plus remember that C3PO wasn't just a regular ol' protocol droid, he was a protocol droid working for a genuine princess!
― Tuomas, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I've never watched these movies properly, is there much evidence of the bits of the galaxy that aren't Rebel scum being mismanaged or oppressed by the Empire? Whole series is some kind of counter-revolutionary bullshit imo
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
You can't have a white collar/blue collar distinction in slavery,
Oh, I'm pretty sure during Medieval times those servants who worked for the Queen/King thought of themselves being much higher in the hierarchy than servants working for some small-time Lord.
― Tuomas, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
is there much evidence of the bits of the galaxy that aren't Rebel scum being mismanaged or oppressed by the Empire
they killed a bunch of teddy bears iirc
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
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Feudal system was v. different from slavery, sunshine
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Star Wars clearly shows that Threepio had been abused by his "owner" and denied his basic rights to a hot oil bath for example
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
I've never watched these movies properly, is there much evidence of the bits of the galaxy that aren't Rebel scum being mismanaged or oppressed by the Empire?
They did blow up that one planet, but other than that, the original trilogy doesn't really show any of the Empire's supposed oppression.
― Tuomas, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
one planet was home to the rebel princess tho
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link
my favorite fanboy argument about star wars is the claim that by blowing up both death stars, the rebels are just as guilty as the empire is of committing mass murderer, since think of all the janitors/maintenance workers/blue collar dudes who are working on the death star keeping it running & functioning, they probably had no ill will towards anybody and were just conscripted by the empire, won't somebody think of the children!!
― real eyes realize real truffle fries (dyao), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link
3po would have sold his droid bros out -- total class traitor -- did you see how quickly he maneuvered himself into exploiting ewok religion to make himself queen of the ewoks? don't weep for 3po.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
The only evidence for a supposed slavery of droids is the scene in the A New Hope where they're selling the droids on the market, but maybe Luke just lives on a backwater planet that hasn't yet abolished droid slavery. Nothing in the movies suggests Leia thought the droids were her slaves.
― Tuomas, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
^isn't this from Clerks?
― sofatruck, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
She did solder a HAYYYYYULP message into his guts
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
have never watched clerks xp
― real eyes realize real truffle fries (dyao), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
since think of all the janitors/maintenance workers/blue collar dudes who are working on the death star keeping it running & functioning, they probably had no ill will towards anybody and were just conscripted by the empire
The prequels supposedly explain this away by revealing that they're all clones. Though why a sentient clone's life should be worth less than anyone else's, I have no idea.
― Tuomas, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
So you think all those bike messengers on the streets are slaves?
― Tuomas, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
they used boba fett clones to clean toilets? seems like a waste
xp
― peter in montreal, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
they have to swallow their messages?
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
oh wait, they probably had droids to clean toilets
Now you're being antropomorphic. R2 didn't "swallow" anything, it was just its version of a messenger bag.
― Tuomas, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link
not enough midichlorians
― in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/b/b9/Lobot_btm.jpg
This guy has the worst of it -- looks human, but named LOWbot.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 June 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I heard they almost got him to star in death of a salesman
― real eyes realize real truffle fries (dyao), Friday, 4 June 2010 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zd_khk6zXo
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 June 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFKhV_X6-cg
apparently George Lucas addressed the matter in the DVD commentary to one of the prequels.
― sofatruck, Friday, 4 June 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Jay and Silent Bob are not in Clerks. Well, ok, except for kind-of.
― Eighteen straight. I think that's a record. (kenan), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I can understand the confusion there, certainly.
― Eighteen straight. I think that's a record. (kenan), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Isn't it Lobot? As in lobotomy?
― Yes! Yes! Hammerheads! (Jon Lewis), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link
You're right! Poor lobot! Why they gave you a lobotomy? Maybe you wanted too much freedom.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 June 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
― real eyes realize real truffle fries (dyao), Friday, June 4, 2010 1:52 PM
more like Death Star of a Salesman
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 4 June 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link
"My last job was programming binary load-lifters, very similar to your vaporators!"
the original trilogy doesn't really show any of the Empire's supposed oppression.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/1/14/OwenBeru_dead.jpg
― I guess for copraphiles this is gonna be awesome (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 4 June 2010 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
c3po just bragging how l33t his coding skills are, but whenever they need to hack empire security, notice it's always R2 who steps up.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 June 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link
3po would have sold his droid bros out -- total class traitor -- did you see how quickly he maneuvered himself into exploiting ewok religion to make himself queen of the ewoks? don't weep for 3po.― Philip Nunez, Friday, June 4, 2010 1:40 PM Bookmark
― Philip Nunez, Friday, June 4, 2010 1:40 PM Bookmark
But 3PO initially demurs, claiming it would be against his programming to impersonate a deity. He gets browbeat into this idea by, if I recall correctly, the princess.
Thread probably needs some distinction between "has blue collar character in it" and "blue collar sensibility." Like, it's hard to find ANY Hollywood picture where every character is a rich snot who only occasionally tips at restaurants.... whereas Alien is really interested in imagining what the bold new future really looks like to the delivery people and Marine draftees.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 4 June 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Me at every job interview ever.
― Eighteen straight. I think that's a record. (kenan), Friday, 4 June 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
which one is Aunt Beru and and which one is Uncle Owen?
― Jarlrmai, Friday, 4 June 2010 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link
xxxp
― Jarlrmai, Friday, 4 June 2010 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Posted this thread as a response to Star Wars, as a sense, which is space opera only in a scruffier universe. Ridley Scott took that look and mixed it with the 70s bits of trucker films, Dark Star, Silent Running, et al, and did his own.
― Don Homer, I have baked a special donut just-a for you (kingfish), Friday, 4 June 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link
― Eighteen straight. I think that's a record. (kenan), Friday, June 4, 2010 3:28 PM Bookmark
LOL
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 5 June 2010 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link