2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

mitt romney subbed for paul harvey this morning - WTF. blamed youth of america's inability to spell on text messaging, thanked 'God' for spell check, eerily attempted harvey's cadence at times. picked up 'we now join our reg sched' after hearing bush's address on iraq. god bless america.

Mitt Romney is clip art man in human form.

Being above-all-that is what loses elections again and again.

The ultimate in cynicism, and a neat summary explains why the Dems are not worth defending. Pigs in shit, all.

why don't you suggest some lies for Obama to use in the GE?

-- Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 April 2008 13:34 (2 hours ago)

Lies? No one was lying by playing that "I voted for the 87 billion before I voted against it" clip, nor is The McCain quote invented. In both cases a candidate was trying to pander to, respectively, the right and left in order to get a nomination. McCain wanted to sound more hardcore than his rivals on the war. Emphasizing the "I don't care if we're there for 100 years" part without providing all the ifs ands & buts may not be fair but it certainly tells voters what they need to know about McCain-- No matter what happens he will keep the troops in Iraq until he reaches his fantasy land scenario of no one being killed or injured, and then, after that is acheived, keep troops there in an
indefinite Korea-type situation. How can this possibly compare to "Obama is a secret Muslim"?

Not using the available tools in order to bring the war to a conclusion may be an avoidance of cynicism but it's also moral cowardice.

blamed youth of america's inability to spell on text messaging, thanked 'God' for spell check

Jesus fucking Christ, I wish people could think things through (the decline in spelling started WAY before texting caught on, douchebag, BECAUSE OF SPELL CHECK)

You just can't except the truth, Dan.

yeah it was funny cuz while he was going off (though to be fair it was more 'wry observation' than rant) i kept thinking 'duh spellcheck duh spellcheck duh spellcheck'. it'd be like 'ppl don't write letters no more cuz of text messaging. thank god for telephones and email!'
if anyone caught mitt harvey did the 'rest of the story' involve a lost tribe of israelites who settled down in north america we know them as indians and now you know the rest of the story plz say yes.

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Newsweek's Fineman: "The inner circle of the Clinton campaign can't believe that the Reverend Wright issue hasn't turned this campaign upside down. The fact that it hasn't has them furious and confused" ("Countdown," MSNBC, 4/9).

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/04/hotline_after_d_366.html

Obama talks to The Advocate:

Both you and your wife speak eloquently about being told to wait your turn and how if you had done that, you might not have gone to law school or run for Senate or even president. To some extent, isn’t that what you’re asking same-sex couples to do by favoring civil unions over marriage -- to wait their turn?

I don’t ask them that. Anybody who’s been at an LGBT event with me can testify that my message is very explicit -- I don’t think that the gay and lesbian community, the LGBT community, should take its cues from me or some political leader in terms of what they think is right for them. It’s not my place to tell the LGBT community, "Wait your turn." I’m very mindful of Dr. King’s “Letter From Birmingham Jail,” where he says to the white clergy, "Don’t tell me to wait for my freedom."

So I strongly respect the right of same-sex couples to insist that even if we got complete equality in benefits, it still wouldn’t be equal because there’s a stigma associated with not having the same word, marriage, assigned to it. I understand that, but my perspective is also shaped by the broader political and historical context in which I’m operating. And I’ve said this before -- I’m the product of a mixed marriage that would have been illegal in 12 states when I was born. That doesn’t mean that had I been an adviser to Dr. King back then, I would have told him to lead with repealing an antimiscegenation law, because it just might not have been the best strategy in terms of moving broader equality forward.

That’s a decision that the LGBT community has to make. That’s not a decision for me to make.

during Hillary's pity party, McCcain hits the road

it really still stuns me every time i hear obama talking to people like theyre adults

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woah

great answer to the advocate

But Mr. Obama has argued that his rivals’ longer official record is no substitute for his real-life grass-roots experience. “Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton and Senator McCain,” he said in his remarks in San Francisco.

“Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world,” he continued, provoking laughter among those present. “This I know. When Senator Clinton brags, ‘I’ve met leaders from 80 countries,’ I know what those trips are like. I’ve been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There’s a group of children who do a native dance. You meet with the C.I.A. station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of plant that” with “the assistance of Usaid has started something. And then, you go.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/us/politics/10obama.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

zing!

"Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world,” he continued, provoking laughter among those present. “This I know. When Senator Clinton brags, ‘I’ve met leaders from 80 countries,’ I know what those trips are like. I’ve been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There’s a group of children who do a native dance. You meet with the C.I.A. station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of plant that” with “the assistance of Usaid has started something. And then, you go.”

Like a sly magician letting the audience in on how the tricks are done.

obama bowled a 37 = lost they vote. shouldn't have bowled. will mark the turning point of his loss to MCCAIN HUCKABEE

truly tragic. 37. aspergers 4 real

well he can't be good at EVERYTHING

Still impressed @ O talking to grownups like grownups.

i'm even slightly impressed that Obama uses the phrase "LGBT community" -- which implies recognition along a wider spectrum of sexual and gender orientations that most politicians would dare acknowledge.

As Senator Barack Obama wrapped up a drop-by visit to the Sunrise Cafe here today, he was posing for a photograph with two waitresses and the restaurant’s owner. When he leaned in for the picture, touching his leg to one of the older women, he suddenly cracked a smile.

“That’s my phone buzzing there,” he said, gesturing to his right pocket. “I don’t want you to think I’m getting fresh or anything.”

XD

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That Advocate quote is a good one. Here's some disappointment to even it out, in the NYT's piece on the Clintons' welfare reform:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/us/politics/11welfare.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

During the presidential campaign, (Clinton) has faced little challenge on the issue, in large part because Mr. Obama has supported the 1996 law. “Before welfare reform, you had, in the minds of most Americans, a stark separation between the deserving working poor and the undeserving welfare poor,” Mr. Obama said in an interview. “What welfare reform did was desegregate those two groups. Now, everybody was poor, and everybody had to work.”

Mr. Obama called the resulting law “an imperfect reform.” Like Mrs. Clinton, he called for an expansion of government-provided health care, child care and job training to assist women making the transition from welfare to work — programs he says he helped expand in Illinois as a state senator.

Asked if he would have vetoed the 1996 law, Mr. Obama said, “I won’t second guess President Clinton for signing.”

i think its pretty clear why he would say that and it makes sense. a white progressive doesnt have the same problem when trying to win national public office

“That’s my phone buzzing there,” he said, gesturing to his right pocket. “I don’t want you to think I’m getting fresh or anything.”

this guy is in the mfing zone!

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The 'best' bit is all the HuffPo poster comments slugging it out over whether or not it's A Serious News Story.

that foreign policy zing is great

OT, Smiling Dick:

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Was US Vice President Dick Cheney fishing with a naked woman?
April 11th, 2008 - 1:20 pm

Melbourne, April 11 (ANI): A photo taken of US Vice President Dick Cheney has created stir over whether he went fly fishing with a naked woman.

Internet blogs and forums have been inspecting a White House photograph, which shows a close-up of Cheneys face, sporting dark sunglasses and a grin.

However it is the reflection within the Vice President’s glasses that have people talking - including speculation the reflection shows a naked woman.

The photograph shows Cheney smiling, however there is no note to say who accompanied the Vice President on the trip to the Snake River in Idaho.

Website Democratic Underground has been abuzz with speculation over the reflection’s true identity since it was spotted on the White House site.

On sportsshooter.com, a website dedicated to professional photography, another user came to their own conclusion: “Naked woman? That explains his heart problems!!”

However, White House staff didnt agree with the speculations.
“Clearly the picture shows a hand casting a rod,” News.com.au quoted spokeswoman Meagan Mitchell, as saying.
And one digital technology expert agreed with Mitchells statement.

“In one lens of his sunglasses you can clearly tell it is a sleeved arm of Mr Cheney or a fishing companion. The other lens has an extreme distortion that, without looking at it closely, could be misconstrued,” said investigative photo editor George Bridges of McClatchy/Tribune Information Services. (ANI)

White House OTM. Rod, hand, sleeve.

ive been thinking for while that bill subconsciously doesnt want hillary to be president. but now im wondering if he might be purposely sabotaging her campaign. hes got it pretty good jetting around the world playing elder statesman making millions and millions of dollars and theres no newt gingrich ken starr types busting his balls 24/7. maybe he just cant stand the thought of being back in that arena. i wouldnt blame him.

latest evidence: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9535.html

sassy Obama is my favorite Obama

Sassy-O

“We’ve had to mostly spend our time since President Bush came in to office preventing bad things from happening,” Mrs. Clinton said.

and what a stellar success that's been.

lol William Gibson was all "what sort of tentacled women is veep consorting with!!!"

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gallup is mitosising

ive been thinking for while that bill subconsciously doesnt want hillary to be president. but now im wondering if he might be purposely sabotaging her campaign. hes got it pretty good jetting around the world playing elder statesman making millions and millions of dollars and theres no newt gingrich ken starr types busting his balls 24/7. maybe he just cant stand the thought of being back in that arena. i wouldnt blame him.

Maybe he doesn't want to be the first First Husband.

Obama comment about small town mindset:

Obama's remarks, which came at a San Francisco fundraiser, were as follows:

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Clinton addressed the Obama statement without prompting. Telling the crowd that, "it is being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter," the New Yorker immediately sought to draw a contrast.

"Well, that is not my experience," she said. "As I travel around Pennsylvania I meet people who are resilient, optimistic, positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children"

UPDATE: McCain spokesman Steve Schmidt had this to say on Obama's remarks:

"It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking," Schmidt said. "It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans."

UPDATE: The Obama camp has released the following statement, responding to John McCain, via spokesman Tommy Vietor:

"Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities. And if John McCain wants a debate about who's out of touch with the American people, we can start by talking about the tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans that he once said offended his conscience but now wants to make permanent."

The whole problem with HRC's campaign is 'experience' based. She should maybe avoid using that word to describe the things that she sees.

It's funny watching the campaigns try to seize on 'bitter' - you'd almost think that Obama threw it out there as a McGuffin.

I think this is a really bad gaffe, but then I have a pretty terrible record of predicting what's going to be important in this campaign.

Obama's "talking like an adult to adults" demeanor is great and refreshing, but a backlash like the one HRC is trying to ignite is a worry. Voters might get tired of hearing why they're understandably bitter, racist, anti-immigrant, gun-obsessed types. Put differently, there's a reason why code words and euphamisms are traditionally used instead of direct appeals to racism, sexism, xenophobia and so forth. They work. Obama's shown an amazing ability to talk straightforwardly about these very delicate issues, and bring people to his side on them, all without incurring a backlash . . . so far. I hope he can keep it up.

(What's a really bad gaffe, 31g?)

John McCain is a really bad gaffe.

Obama's comments about Pennsylvanians

xp that too

Isn't a gaffe like throwing up on the President of Japan or constantly messing up the different ethnic groups of a country you want to occupy for 100 years? This seems more like a conscious choice to me. Whether it's a poorly considered one remains to be seen.

Yeah. It isn't a gaffe. It might be a misstep.