Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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The one episode I watched wasn't as good as Quantum Leap.

― chap (chap), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

Is it universally accepted that TNG is the pinnacle of Trek achievement?

― The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

The theme tune to Enterprise is brilliant!!!

It's the best next thing to the original!

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer original Trek, but I'm hardly a hardcore fan so my opinion probablydoesn't count for much (I've seen maybe 20 eps of TNG).

xpost

― chap (chap), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

The best thing about Enterprise is that they explained why the Klingons looked liked humans in the original series! I had often wondered.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

> Is it universally accepted that TNG is the pinnacle of Trek achievement?

Oh, hell no.

> The theme tune to Enterprise is brilliant!!!

ibid.

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

The best thing about Enterprise is that they explained why the Klingons looked liked humans in the original series! I had often wondered.

please explain?

― Ed (dali), Sunday, 21 January 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Well, the Klingons came up with some disease by accident, and the only cure (created by Dr Phlox) was some sort of genetic enginneering that'd make look more human as a result. It was these kinda human Klingons that Kirk et al. came into contact with in their adventures.

Oh, Wiki explains it better than me!

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Link!

― The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

original series > wrath of khan >>>>>> the other movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TNG (and everything else even lower)

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

no way are *all* the movies > tng, you r moron!!!

― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

tng headfuck episodes (beverley all alone on enterprise, riker all alone in some crazy delusional state of mind) are best trek ever.

― ledge (ledge), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

Deep Space 9 underrated.

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

Best Trek Ever = Sisko complicitously and Garak actively (and both fraudulently) recruiting Romulans to fight the Dominion.

xp with fandango, who knows whereof he speaks

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

beverley all alone on enterprise

possibly my favorite tng episode!!! best part is when its just her and jean luc!

― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Deep Space 9 underrated.

I think you need to watch it in order from the beginning. About the only thing that could get me to do this is a roomie with a box set

― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

tng headfuck episodes (beverley all alone on enterprise, riker all alone in some crazy delusional state of mind) are best trek ever.

-- ledge (tomdotledge...), January 21st, 2007. (ledge)

also see TIME LOOP episode, EYES IN THE DARK episode, RECREATE FREAKY CHAIR episode

― 69 (plsmith), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

Set phasers to DIE DIE DIE!! on Star Trek: Voyager (and everything after)

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

I tried to write a Trek = Marvel post (Classic has Lee/Kirby charm, early TNG veers between the worst Gary Friedrich and the best Roy Thomas), but bailed out because I never watched after TNG.

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

There must have been about a million tng time loop episodes!

Just came across this in a, ahem, beverly crusher article on wikipedia:

Sub Rosa - Attends her grandmother's funeral and spends time in her haunted house, falling in love with a ghost.

Ok clearly there was good headfuck and bad headfuck.

― ledge (ledge), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

True Q - Befriends and mentors a young girl who is developing omnipotent powers. She is turned into a dog in this episode.

The banality of episode summaries

― ledge (ledge), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

If Trek = Marvel does that make Star Wars DC?

Anyway, that means ENTERPRISE = ULTIMATES?

― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

yes and yes

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

i kind of love star trek but only through TNG and I didn't bother with the last two movies. what I saw of enterprise was so bad, so was voyager. ds9 seemed alright but i don't want to ahve to watch something all the time and keep track of a story arc and a plot and be all serious when it's STAR TREK, you know.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

DS9 was consistently good, never really liked the others (but the occasional mindfuck episode was worth watching). Voyager and Enterprise didn't even look good enough to try.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

There aren't even enough nerds out there seeding for me to get to 100% on these Enterprise episodes that are trickling my way. It must be shit.

― stet (stet), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

"Shit" is pretty kind, when talking about Enterprise. The Vulcan and the Doctor were ok, the rest of the cast was terrible. The premise was stupid and the scripts were worse.

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

I kinda liked the premise of a Star Trek before all the tech shit actually worked, so they couldn't just redirect a tachyon pulse through the flux capacitor (hey, that might just work!) and nobody would trust the transporter. But it didn't turn out like that, it seems.

Oh: Wil Wheaton is blogging his way through TNG episodes.

― stet (stet), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

I am glad to see the love for the TNG headfuck episodes. A couple of those ones still give me the creeps just reading these five word summaries.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

8:15 am. I am posting links on the internet about Klingons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon#Change_in_appearance

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 22 January 2007 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

Best TNG is the one with jean luc having the shit kicked out of him by a romulan for 45 minutes, "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS" and all that.

― Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 22 January 2007 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

NOT ROMULAN, CARDASSIAN!

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

i love TNG

― feed latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

Ugh, I just met yer real Trekkie at the DVD shop's SUPER CLOSING DOWN SALE. I found Wrath of Khan for £2, and at the till was reading the box of TNG Season 4 when this wee baldy 40-something dude in specs and an anorak sidles up to me.

Lispy, soft pedo-voice: "ooh, the best theason of all, that!"
"The borg ... the borg! And at the thame time, deirdre wath kidnapped. Coronation thtreet [shitty UK soap] fanth were crying about Deirdre and did you thee uth crying about Picard going to the Borg? No!"

Me: "Big crossover between Coronation Street fans and Trekkies then, is there?"

He tharthed on an angry reply then yelped "OH MY GOD! OH. MY. GOD. THAT CAN'T BE! IT IS! OH MY" and started jumping on the spot. At a Knight Rider all-seasons box set.

I was kinda embarrassed to buy Wrath of Khan, then.

― stet (stet), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

star trek VI is the best one

^^^controversial but true

― say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Monday, 22 January 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

that looks like i'm quoting someone but it's really just me hoping someone expressed that view upthread, i haven't read much of it

― say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Monday, 22 January 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

ST VI = first movie i can remember crying at the end of (and all i remember about it is kirk making his big sad "this is the last voyage of the starship enterprise" speech at the end - i barely even remember the plot, apart from it having something to do with making peace with the klingons). i don't know how proud i am of that.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeh, cardassian, whatever. I haven't seen it for a few years, all the bumpy forehead bad guys merge into one. Ferengui (sp?) were just dwarf Klingons, really. (at least they are in my head)

― Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

what was the one where riker had multiple realities (not the one in a mantal hospital). i dunno maybe there were loads of rikers, something like tyhat

― Carl Taylor (688), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

Very dud, for the most part. The only episodes that were ever interesting to me were the one's that palyed with the idea that the Federation has to do some seriously dark and nasty shit to keep their bright and cheery utopia going

― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

Stone Monkey would love the DS9 episode I cited upthread.

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Enterprise is so unbelievably bad - they're re-running them from the beginning on Sci-Fi channel and the writing, the casting (excepting the Dr, as noted!), the entire premise and tone is just WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Kirby/Lee = OST is a nice analogy tho, I like that. For me it goes OST>>Wrath of Khan>>Star Trek VI>the better TNG episodes>all the other movies>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think that multiple realities one had a whole bunch of Worfs (Worves?), not Rikers.

― The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ferengui (sp?) were just dwarf Klingons, really.

I gather they were meant to be 20th century humans.

― The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone else find that when watching TNG they are waiting for Picard to say "But it would be too late - I'd have seen everything"

― The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

"Ferengui (sp?) were just dwarf Klingons, really."

I've always felt there was this weird Ferengi = Bad space Jews/Vulcans = Good space Jews subtext goin on

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

This thread makes me want to reach for my agonizer.

― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

set phasers to KILL

― feed latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

One of the fun bits of undergrad life was seeing Leonard Nimoy brought to ann arbor to speak by Hillel or somesuch about "Spock in the Diaspora". The part about the hefty ticket price wasn't as much fun.

oh neat, here's the campus newspaper bit about it. It happened 10 years ago next week.

― kingfish moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

yea i know there was one with loads of worfs, but there was a weirdo one with riker too, maybe there werent loads of rikers, but he kept reappearing in weird placees, i cant rememebr

― Storefront Church (688), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

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