Jesus Fucking Christ: evangelical bigwig opposed gay marriage "because it takes the dirt and danger out of clandestine sex with rent-a-men"

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"Now I'm in charge...heheh."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, a little disengenuous here, Mr. Jones:

Jones first learned of Haggard's firing in a telephone interview with The Denver Post.

"I hadn't heard," he said. "I'm sad. I didn't want to ruin his life or his family's life."

"I just said all that stuff because we were bros!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

Eh I think it possible to be sad about the events and to not WANT to ruin the Haggard's/family's life while still feeling like you need to or should expose his hypocrisy.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeah. i mean, i definitely feel bad for haggard. his life is ruined. that always sucks.

gbx (skowly), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:35 (nineteen years ago)

I mean I am sad that the part our the culture which Haggard is such an active part of so ridiculously repressive that it feels justified that his "dirty" laundry is being aired in public. I mean I don't really want to give a shit about what this guy does in private and I don't think what he was/is doing SHOULD fuck up his life, but well he pretty much was asking for it ya know.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

seriously though, what's next for him?

homosexuals anonymous?

or does he do some serious soul searching, embrace his sexuality, and start a new movement within the church, changing the face of religion in america?

naaaaahhhh....

researching ur life (grady), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to alex: were the guy not so closely associated with the legislation of our nation's laws regarding gay rights i'd agree with you.

researching ur life (grady), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

"or does he do some serious soul searching, embrace his sexuality, and start a new movement within the church, changing the face of religion in america?"

Haha dream on. I mean he might be one of those ex-ex-gays at some point, but those guys aren't changing the face of anything.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

xpost no no we DO agree. I mean I feel like it had to happen too, but it still doesn't make me feel good about it you know.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i'm with Alex.

gbx (skowly), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

My question then is -- is there a way that this could have been brought up and addressed *without* making it a big public affair that drags his family etc. into it? And did Jones perhaps pursue that? For all we know he did.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

He has suggested several times that he could have used blackmail. If he's to be believed, he has no financial intrest.

All he wanted to do was create his very own November suprise.

researching ur life (grady), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

My question then is -- is there a way that this could have been brought up and addressed *without* making it a big public affair that drags his family etc. into it?

I don't see how that's even an issue. This guy has made a profession out of (in part) demonising homosexuality, so he is a huge hypocrite. It is he who has dragged his family and church into the issue through his own hypocrisy. Jones has no responsibility to protect him from himself.

Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

It is he who has dragged his family and church into the issue through his own hypocrisy.

and also the movement he represents and of which he has been a high-profile standard-bearer has been dragging the whole country through a nasty fight over civil rights in which they are -- by my judgment, and probably history's -- entirely and viciously in the wrong. he's a public figure whose power is partly based on encouraging bigotry and intolerance, so while i can have sympathy for him as an obviously deeply confused man, i can't feel bad about his loss of stature and authority. he was actively using it for bad ends.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

Ugh after seeing the way he spoke to Dawkins in that clip (and Dawkins looked like he wanted to punch the snot out of him), I have no sympathy and I regret even thinking this was a setup.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think b/c he's been such a vocal opponent against gay marriage it had to be made into a public spectacle. someone who wants to dictate morality in others' private lives deserves no privacy himself.

Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

pastors apparently lead lives of great temptation.

plus, apparently, their wives are schlubs.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 5 November 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

> Dawkins looked like he wanted to punch the snot out of him

I thought exactly the reverse - that it appeared Haggard was barely restraining himself from violence. Dawkins was upset that his position was being misrepresented, but Ted had a look in his eye and tremble in his face that I associate with "get ready to rumble."

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 5 November 2006 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

when systematic personality cults meet deep homophobia, and a general fear of pleasure, the gay just exudes.

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 5 November 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

and mel white has a new book out, where he did exactly that--he started out writing for both falwell and robertson, decided he liked the cock, quit, joined the queer MCC, and started the radically inclusive, xian group SoulForce, which is committed to non violent, direct action. they had a caravan last year, and took picnics and gay families to homophobic xian instutionas all over the states, including dobson and haggards church

i would love if haggard took his NEA connections and worked for soul force, but i doubt its going to happen

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 5 November 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

and about the art--its a varration of muscla xianity, you can see similar images from boy scouts in the 1890s, the YMCA in the 1920s, to mainstream protesants in the 1950s, (esp in the LDS commissioning pulp artist Arnold Freiberg), to people like Athletes in Action, etc

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 5 November 2006 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/archive/ap/haggardescortweb.jpg

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

Muscular christianity indeed.

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.quinnstudiodesign.com/agape/agapeimages/god

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:48 (nineteen years ago)

(this reminds me that when i dj'd for an evangelical friend's wedding, he specifically requested "ymca.")

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

I have danced to YMCA in most christan weddings and dances, but never danced to it at a gaybar

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 5 November 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

really -- it would more interesting if the evangelicals had all requested "male stripper," "i'm too sexy," "boom boom boom let's go back to my room," or just house music in general.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 5 November 2006 08:28 (nineteen years ago)

i was going to play madonna but he said no madonna.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 5 November 2006 08:34 (nineteen years ago)

All the XTREME christians I know do weird things like subverting the lyrics of such songs to make them godfriendly. You know how on the "Billy Idol sings Xmas Songs" thread someone did the "with a jingle bell, he's crying HO HO HO" thing - well I actually know people who do that with NO IRONY. My cousins used to sing "Devil Inside" by INXS as "Jesus inside, Jesus inside, every single one of us" etc etc it makes me want to be sick.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 5 November 2006 08:37 (nineteen years ago)

don't make me repost "Baby Got Book" here

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 5 November 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

dude looks like Weston Esterhazy in that Dawkins film

J (Jay), Sunday, 5 November 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/466/ttaboodp4.jpg

David Kennedy (funny ringtones), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/cnn-haggardcofession_0001.jpg

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Aaron Eckhart

Sooo OTM.

After reading that Harper's piece last year (incidentally, Jeff Sharlet is the best investigative journalist working today; seek everything he's done), I was so frustrated thinking I'd never really hear anything once any of these obvious maniacs fell hard... so this is hugely satisfying. You feel bad for his wife and family, of course, but fucking hell.

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Sunday, 5 November 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

he reminds me mostly of scott thompson's character in Brain Candy, who takes Stummies and realises and accepts that he's gay.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Sunday, 5 November 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

id also like to point out, that i find him really sexy

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 5 November 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

(off topic a little, sorry, but the topic search poxy fules & I wondered: is this "let's save walmart form the homosexual agenda on Nov 24th 2006" real or ???: http://www.savewalmart.com/index.asp )

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Nutty:
American businesses across the nation are being blackmailed by the devil himself. They are being forced by the "politically correct" dogma (abortion, homosexuality, etc) of our day to accept his terms. If one chooses to defy this dogma, he will be forever branded as a right-wing, bigoted fascist, bent on forcing his own religion (Christianity) down everyone else’s throat. If the Church or any business will not accept these terms, or truly honors God, there will be hell to pay!

Now Satan has Wal-Mart in his line of fire!

This legacy of faith and love for Jesus Christ by Mr. Walton is being trashed before our very eyes!

After being lambasted for years by the anti-family, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, radical environmental left, Wal-Mart has finally succumbed to this constant harassment and blackmail. She has now chosen a policy of appeasement to assuage all of the false accusations leveled against her in hopes that the devil will somehow stop being so mean. It is sad to say that Wal-Mart has joined the The National Gay & Lesbian, Chamber of Commerce.

The NGCC called Wal-Mart's action "part of the company's ongoing commitment to advancing diversity (homosexuality) among all of its associate, supplier and customer bases."

The NGCC desires that the world's largest retailer would also become the world's largest promoter of homosexual sodomy!

Wal-Mart desperately needs our help! There is something that we can do. It requires that we get out of the closet and run toward the roar!

WE MUST SAVE WAL-MART!

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Did you know that in addition to being co-opted by the radical homosexual agenda, Wal-Mart "now dispenses the 'Plan B' abortion pill which makes them an accomplice to the killing of little boys and girls in the privacy of American homes."

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

Obv. if little boys and girls are to be killed it should be done it public.

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Pastor Ted did preach the holy glory of American corporate supremacy, so it's obvious Satan needs to bring Wal-Mart down with him.

Hi,

I am one of those people who is no longer shopping at Wal-Mart, but as I talk with other Christians I often get the response that they're going to continue shopping at Wal-Mart because probably all of the other stores we would shop at in place of Wal-Mart are also doing sinful things and/or supporting gay and lesbian groups etc. What is your response to this? Do you know if Kmart supports gays and lesbians? Do you have a list of businesses which Christians can support in good conscience?

I believe if I can address this issue I could be more effective in encouraging people not to support Wal-Mart.

Thank you,

Eileen K.

Hi Eileen,

Why Wal-Mart? It's very true that many other stores have also been bullied into supporting gay issues and have engaged in other evils, but Wal-Mart is special. It is the single largest private employer in America with 1.3 million employees. It is the largest retailer and the largest privately-owned retailer in America , with 127 million weekly customers. It boasts a $300 BILLION a year business . Wal-Mart is the biggest in everything! And it started out under Sam Walton as a godly, family-friendly operation. If we can fight and win at Wal-Mart, we'll be sending a strong message to other companies that they too need the support of American families to succeed and they won't get it by stomping on our values and encouraging and promoting those things that God abhors.

I hope this helps!

God bless your efforts for His kingdom.

Brenda/OSA

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Some odd details:

But in a news conference after the service, the head of the oversight board, Pastor Larry Stockstill of Baton Rouge, La., told reporters that Haggard denied engaging in homosexual acts or being gay. Stockstill said Haggard's admission that he received a massage from a gay man was enough grounds for the board to remove him.

At the same time, Stockstill said the board found discrepancies in Haggard's account. He did not go into detail.

"(Haggard) is not in touch with truth and reality, and he readily admitted that," Stockstill said.

A separate pastoral board, still being formed, will work further with Haggard to explore his sexual issues in more depth, Stockstill said.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

So much for my "gay messiah" theory.

researching ur life (grady), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

A separate pastoral board, still being formed, will work further with Haggard to explore his sexual issues in more depth

well, off to rehab w/ mark foley for him, then

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

The kookiest thing about Save Wal-Mart is that it genders Wal-Mart as female:

After being lambasted for years by the anti-family, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, radical environmental left, Wal-Mart has finally succumbed to this constant harassment and blackmail. She has now chosen a policy of appeasement to assuage all of the false accusations leveled against her in hopes that the devil will somehow stop being so mean.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

I just get this image of H. Lee Scott with a smug look on his face, condescendingly patting a quarterly earnings graph and saying, "She's a good little largest retailer and second largest corporation in the world, isn't she?"

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

"(Haggard) is not in touch with truth and reality, and he readily admitted that,"

"is it backwards day?"

"yes. no. i mean, yes. i mean--"

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

To me, it seems like an even bigger deal than people are making it out to be, after all, this guy is the President's top spiritual advisor. I mean, it's obvious that Bush doesn't really believe in the tennants of Christianity and is just using it for political gain. But for the people who belive that George Bush is a God-fearing man and is sincere about his faith, this has got to be a major blow to that way of thinking. I mean, you can't just brush this off, Pastor Ted was living a total lie and he admitted it, and Bush met with him once a week and was 100% in agreement with him, like he said the only thing they dissagreed about was Ford vs. Chevy. So, what is Bush's position now? I mean if he's a Christian and he's at all sincere about his faith, when his top spiritual advisor goes down in flames so dramatically, he's got to be devistated, right? He was either lying in the first place about his relationship with Pastor Ted to get the evangelical vote, or he is lying now by distancing himself from it. He can't win, and they have to draw a line between religion and politics to even discuss it, and that is a big crack in the veneer of this whole republican theocracy movement.

BrianB (BrianB), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Haggard's admission that he received a massage from a gay man was enough grounds for the board to remove him.

Phrase it like that, and you'd have to remove half of anyone who's ever been to a day spa.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

My cousins used to sing "Devil Inside" by INXS as "Jesus inside, Jesus inside, every single one of us" etc etc.

Additional weirdness: surely acknowledging the sin, evil, and temptation in the heart of man is appropriately religious already? INXS are good Calvinists, no reason to edit their work.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)


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