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I think Alan Hansen more or less called Adrian Chiles a twat last night

To paraphrase John Cooper Clarke. "They can’t find a good word for you Hansen, but I can... TWAT." I've never forgiven the cunt for losing that goal against Russia in the 1982 World Cup, they should show that more often, that might shut him up.

Didoismus (Dada), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I would quite like Chiles not to speak his mind, but you know what I mean.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a feeling Adrian Chiles knows considerably more about football than Des Lynam - at least he likes the game

Didoismus (Dada), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

At one pint Chiles picked Hansen up for his 'average, appalling, abysmal' description of Liverpool. Perhaps he was still sulking about that.

As you can see, I've been thinking about this all day.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Miller, I saw it too, and like you I was struck and puzzled. I think I was also entertained.

I am not sure whether AH meant any of it. He did say 'I'm kiddin', by the way - I'm only kiddin''.

I very much agree with Mr Miller, though, that they must get along, as colleagues, and that bullying is wrong.

I think it was seen as an Event that they had managed to get Hansen on at all. He stands somewhat aloof from these 'secondary programmes'. If he goes on Focus, he's always late.

Mike -- this Crooks montage -- are you sure you're not just making it up to get me excited and regretful that I didn't see it?

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The Crooks thing really happened - a song and dance routine with Leo Sayer and a Gotcha! appearance on the Noel Edmonds show with Mr Blobby were also included. Garth was genuinely embarrassed by it all. McMahon: "Get it off, Ray - he's sweatin' cobs here!"

Carlton Palmer was the loose cannon on the show - ready to give his opinion on an apparently fictional training ground bust-up between Bent and Gravesen ("I'm not surprised those two went at it, cos..." Stubbs: "But it didn't happen, Carlton.") and also carelessly wading in on dubious refereeing decisions. Maybe they won't invite him back.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Carlton Palmer is weird - he looks about 12 years old and he must be pushing 40

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

But Palmer was PUNDIT OF THE WEEK!

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

You really did say 'a song and dance routine with Leo Sayer', didn't you?

the garthfox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Carlton on Saturday evening at St pancras station. He was wearing a hideous jacket.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone enjoy THAT GAME, on BBC2, 8pm last Sunday?

It was about England vs Germany.

Some bits were good.

What annoyed me: for the first time in 14 years, a retro programme has noticed that Chris Waddle hit a shot on target, in a World Cup semi-final, from the centre circle. Yet after they'd shown it, and Motson had mentioned Pele (very calmly - he would be all excited if now saying the same thing about Rooney or anyone), we just got Gary Lineker sniffing 'He was never gonna score'.

At least it was on target from 50 yards, Gary! Roughly 45 yards further out than most of your shots! Jayzus - I think this was THE BEST SHOT EVER FIRED BY AN ENGLISH PLAYER IN A WORLD CUP, and that's all they can find to say about it.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Gary's went in though. An entire Golden Boot's worth. I know which I'd prefer.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed this. Did they also mention Waddle hit the post in Extra time and it bounced out, too far to his right to get, and too far to Lineker's left?

Not that I can still see these events like yesterday or anything. Dry your eyes mate etc.

Golden boot? He got that 4 years earlier innit.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't know why people feel the need to make programmes about matches like this? do other countries make epic documentaries about their painful tournament exits? they even made TWO about the Argentina match in 1998, both shown a few years back.

Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Dunkirk spirit, innit?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish i was Scottish ;)

Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

We revel in share your pain

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)


I agree that only England probably makes programmes about 'failures' like this. Germany probably does not make programmes about its successes. But I am happy to watch them, if the BBC makes them.

I just wish they would give Wads his due.

There was, by the way, much discussion of when Wads hit the post. Bobby Robson still says 'theirs was going out - ours was IN', exemplifying an endearing way in which his passion drives his perception.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish i was Scottish

You've taken that too far.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

... therein may lie the roots of the mooted English "inferiority complex"

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it was Match Of The 90s in which Waddle provided an amusing anecdote, referring to the time he was singing Glenn Frey's smash hit 'The Heat Is On' in the dressing room. Bobby walks in and, suitably alarmed considering they were in Italy in June, exclaims 'tha heeta's on?!'

Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

which i think proves conclusively the fundamentally problematic cultural differences English players face abroad.

Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

There is a view, I suppose, that Arg '98 and Ger '90 were actually spectacularly good England performances - genuinely superior to games we actually won in those tournaments. Ger '96 also had a feeling of the heroic failure about it.

I don't see anyone making a documentaries about Brz '02 or, for that matter Por '04.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

XPOST So how to explain Robby Bobson's pretty successful tenure abroad?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

yes they were good performances (not sure about 'heroic' given the efforts ultimately proved to be in vain/fruitless) so as a result it still seems daft to keep making programmes about 'the time 'we' actually nearly did succeed if only it hadn't been for those meddling Germans/Argentines/Portugese/Brazilians/Romanians/Polish clowns/Germans again...

Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw this and Dave they did talk abt Waddle's shot in extra time. All key moments and chances were picked apart - as well as every penalty.

Steve - the point to the programme seemed to be that this was when football came out from its 'hooliganism' image and went to something that everybody liked and many others got into - and this particurlar match was the link.

My brother watched this with me - we were trying to think of players who were booked in a semi of a major tournament and could not take place in the final - what were their contributions to the match? We came up with 3 players and all of them scored apart from gascoigne.

Roy keane was one of them but I can't remember the others.

x-posts

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Ballack

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't see anyone making a documentaries about Brz '02 or, for that matter Por '04.

Oh, I think a reconstruction of that night in Crystal Palace might be worthwhile - the build-up, the excitement of opening the pizza boxes, the text messages from Mr. Hopkins, etc.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

yes ballack was another one.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the point to the programme seemed to be that this was when football came out from its 'hooliganism' image and went to something that everybody liked and many others got into - and this particurlar match was the link.

i had not thought of that, good point.

Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Laurent Blanc didn't score in the 1998 semi.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Aha!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

hansen was brusque to the point of rude. he said chiles didn't know what he was talking about (about defending, unsurprisingly). he also said he prefered doing the saturday show because at least the questions were relevant. he was playing up a bit.

I think Hansen gets this way whenever he leaves the relative comfort of the Main Pundit On The Big Match role.
I remember him appearing as a guest on the Frank Skinner show: he was asked one question and instantly went into a tirade of (slightly paraphrased) "Go on then ya cunt make us all laugh! That's your thing int it ya bam! I say something then you take the piss! Go on then ya brummy wanker! FUCKING MAKE US LAUGH!"
Skinner looked really uncomfortable (almost as uncomfortable as the infamous "You called me a child molester" show with M4tthew K3lly) so I suppose that was a good thing.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, that does sound a good thing.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i think 'slightly paraphrased' is an understatement there - i remember that appearance and it stemmed from Skinner poking fun at Hansen for making his wife a cup of hot Ribena before bedtime or something. Hansen had to play down accusations of being some sort of tweeist with gusto as a result. entertaining.

Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Skinner also took the piss out of Hansen on Fantasy Football league for liking Billy Joel and i'm not sure he's ever forgiven them. Chiles also supports West Brom. draw your own conclusion.

http://www.baggies.com/celebrities/

Judas Priest be warned.

Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Onimo and Ronan should collaborate on Hansen's legendary interview with Roy Keane.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I was trying to get more at the message behind what Hansen was saying :-)

Here's the transcript (doncha love t'internet)

Alan Let's hear it!

Frank This is you talking about your home life, you and your wife Janet, who I've met and is very nice 'When we've had a takeaway'

Alan Oh no, I don't want to hear this!

Frank No its nice…'When we've had a takeaway we usually take a big glass of Ribena up to bed. Because more often then not, we'll wake up at some stage gasping for a drink. If we've had one too many glasses of wine, we always forget, and then you can be sure Janet will be saying to me in the night 'Please get me a drink of water'

Alan It's great to be a bore isn't it, but you're pretty good at it yourself.

Frank That's not boring, I think that's nice, that you've got a nice domestic home life.

Alan So why you going to laugh in a minute? Why are you going to crack a funny and then laugh?

Frank I want to know...don't get touchy, relax trust me. Why does she ask for a glass of water when there's Ribena in the house? If you're going to get up and get water, is it any extra bother for you to put a little bit of Ribena in there.

Alan Honestly, wrongly quoted. They've done it again.

Frank They've stitched you up with the old water remark.

Alan Stitched me up with the Ribena. Can you believe that?

Frank So you don't have the Ribena in? Oh Alan you do.

Alan No honestly, we've stopped it.

Frank Ah but you used to? It's alright, It doesn't make you a bad person. I think it's all right.

Alan You see you're smiling. First you said it was nice, then you're smiling, laughing and there is still a funny to come yet, I can feel a funny coming on.

Frank I wish you were right.

Alan So do the audience!

Frank Meaning?

Alan Come on I want to hear it! I want to hear the funny! The funny isn't going to come?

Frank No, I just want to hear about you're home life!

Alan Come on, lets get on with it. I want to hear the funny, the audience want to hear the funny! The audience are gasped in anticipation. Not for the Ribena, but for the funny.

Frank Who's side are you on? You've changed. I just wanted to know about the Ribena. Because when you said you take a big glass up, does that mean you share it? Or do you have 2 beakers. If it's 1 glass what side of the bed does it go on? Do you have a small shelf centrally above you?

Alan Are we getting there?

Frank Well, the audience are laughing!

Alan So what do you drink during the night?

Frank I don't, I'm asleep.

Alan That's not what I've heard!

Frank I haven't upset you have I?

Alan No. I'm still here aren't I?

Frank Accept this as a token. I don't like to think you're off the Ribena for any special reason

FRANK GIVES ALAN A BOTTLE OF RIBENA

Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Alan: DON'T TRY IT!

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Alan So what do you drink during the night?

Frank I don't, I'm asleep.

Alan That's not what I've heard!

Genius.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

'Alan Come on, lets get on with it. I want to hear the funny, the audience want to hear the funny! The audience are gasped in anticipation. Not for the Ribena, but for the funny.'

There was the funny, just there!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
Hansen was being extremely nice last night, nicer even than on Saturday night. I think someone had told him he had to be nice to Chiles. He almost slipped when Chiles came out with some refereeing statistic, but he managed to restrain himself.

I am pleased, really, because I have trouble sleeping if Hansen is nasty.

I say, I do like 'The Strachan View'. Will he be able to carry on if Scotland appoint him this week, as is not expected?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 25 October 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The Strachan View now has JANGLY GUITARS behind it!

Also, Chiles kicked off a wee tad nervously, or self-referentially, by saying 'Alan Hansen's here to put us straight on a few things'.

When Rooney's goal went in - on the highlights, I mean (I didnae know the result) - I danced around the room like 'Minor Character' was playing.

the bellefox, Monday, 25 October 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

what's happened to Mark Bright?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 25 October 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that the 'funny' bloke? If so, he was moved to Saturday so that we could delight in the sight of the resident West Brom and Crystal Palace fans congratulating each other on how nice their mates are. I prefer not to know who a presenter supports, I think.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 07:07 (twenty-one years ago)

No, he's not (that) Bright.

MOTD was spectacular on Saturday in the sense that it featured Everton as the lead match. It's been a while. It may be a while again.

I enjoy the flurry of chuckling and impenetrable Scots asides that accompany our return to the studio after an amusing filmed item on MOTD2. And Chiles has improved 100% (or 110% if Bob Paisley had anything to do with it).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd rather have Stubbs or yer man Maniche (sp) presenting MOTD2. for consistency.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Its pretty sad how fans of other teams are all getting behind Man United isn't it?

Didn't Alan Hansen say at one point 'what kind of question is this?' when the referees were being discussed after Kevin Keegan's rant and Chiles hadn't even finished speaking! Though I thought it was more jokey than when I saw MOTD2 a few weeks ago.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

What annoys me about MOTD is that the lead matches are usually the games which have been televised by Sky already that day, and the people really interested in them will have already watched them live, so why not give more coverage to the other games?

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

the 'not everyone has Sky Sports in their home or wants to go to a packed out pub' protocol should be sustained for now.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)


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