Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

Typically episode writers have zero individual control over the plot points within an episode.

I was really hoping they'd pull some Wizard of Oz type shit where the statue, the temple, Jacob, etc, were all mystical BS put there by Widmore/Eloise whoever all to disguise the fact the island is some sort of time travel machine built in part by Faraday. And tie the numbers in some way to that, and Dharma, and make the electro-magnetism some sort of time travel side effect which is why the island's hidden in the first place. And maybe Desmond living down there for three years made him immune. Or whatever.

It's pretty sad that almost every fan theory I've read is better than what we got in the end. At least insofar as most of the theories involve some sort of resolution.

The review I read in the link above that said something about 'creative cowardice' is just about right. I think Cuse and Lindelof have been mentioning that a lot of stuff wouldn't be resolved for a while now because they realized that they'd painted themselves into a corner. In the end, they failed to resolve most of the lingering mysteries. And a lot of the ones that they did resolve seemed half-assed and perfunctory.

they're the bernie madoff of 44-minute drama is who they are

serious request - can someone post a brief synopsis of each season

No, you have to truly share in our pain to UNDERSTAND

Deric you do realize you just quoted this entire thread, right?

loooolllllzzzzz not trying to embarrass anyone, but its fun to look at this thread and see the speculation that obviously was all for nothing. fun and kinda sad.

"Was there any significance in Smokey/Locke cutting off a piece of the rug or tapestry thing in the room where Jacon died? I just thought the size and shape of the piece he cut off to wipe the knife on was almost exactly the same as the piece of rug the shadow of the statue dudes found in the cabin..."

my mind was not blown but i have faith that the writers won't fuck this up

― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, February 4, 2010 2:52 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm sure when I went back to the season 4 thread I found a quote from the writers which said that the episode "Not in Portland" had an anagram that would relate to the skeletons. All I can think of is that this would be 'mittelos' = lost time, not exactly a mind-blower nor related to the skellingtons in any way.

Actually I'm sure the writers came up with something like this every week, can anyone put them together and try them for crimes against humanity?

man of science, cutty of faith

In an EW.com article, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse answered the fan question, "What is the meaning or significance of the two skeletons that Jack and Kate found in the cave of season 1?"
CUSE: The answer to that question goes to the nature of the timeline of the Island. We don't want to say too much about it, but there are a couple Easter eggs embedded in "Not in Portland", one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons and hints at a larger mythological mystery that will start to unfold later in the season.
LINDELOF: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living—or, I guess, slowly decomposing—proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, "That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this."

Every time I read this it makes me more and more angry. Like Locke and the button-pushing.

actually what's a good anagram of THE SKELETONS ARE MAN IN BLACK AND HIS MOM?

the one that annoys me was that even in the clip show right before the finale L&C are sitting there talking about the sideways timeline saying things like "so this is a world where the island is underwater. the island and its influence are not in play. we start to notice little differences about the characters and their lives. will the characters reconnect with each other without the island?" who fucking cares, they're all in purgatory. thanks for playing.

ugh my faith has been crushed

also shakey can you leave?

seriously, post synopsis of the season? go to the lost wiki you jerk

I get what you're saying Scott and some people read into a lot of the tiniest details way more than was ever advisable. But at the same time, talking, theorizing, and arguing about this show was a whole lotta fun, and I really don't regret a moment of doing it, regardless of how poorly it ended. And even the folks who went a little nutso on the theorizing, I think they were having fun as well, even if it looks like a strange kind of fun from my perspective. And those folks didn't seem any less insane then than they do now, either.

think my lack of faith was growing for a while up to the finale...it was always going to be a ridiculously long shot for them to pull this out of the bag after they wasted every chance to set up some answers/meaningful conclusions in the last 5/6 eps before the end.

i think "darlton" should be seriously ashamed of themselves, to defend such shit with such verbosity as they have done. they can't have believed this was the best they could have done, the standard of just about everything in the last few eps was horrendous. so many terrible scenes and lines. eg in the finale boone saying to hurley "shall we get them???"............and hurley replying "nah.....lets give em a minute!"

i mean how many films has that exchange been used in? same with "they're all waitin for ya!" as someone already said, and prob countless other scenes.

hey, this one's good:
Only fools are enslaved by time and space
= Bones of Nadlers may lay deep in lost cave

SEE? They could have done that and I'd have some nice feelings towards them.

Jacob and MiB's last name confirmed as Nadler on the DVDs.

noo it's Bernard and Rose... hang on... one black, one white...
LOST

forgot to mention, bernard and rose can fuck off, them being in this was another tick for the shit list.

Lost = M. Night Shyamalan, but as shaggy dog story instead of twist-ending.

seriously, post synopsis of the season? go to the lost wiki you jerk

dude, relax

this ending=AI, so that means in about 9 years it will be widely hailed as a masterpiece right? [citation needed]

Lost Wiki tries to avoid spoilers, so it isn't really very informative

Try Lostpedia.

there are no spoilers anymore

Can't escape the spoilage.

Season 1: What is this crazy place?
Season 2: What's with these crazy people?
Season 3: Let's play ping-pong, dudes!
Season 4: Can we please leave soon?
Season 5: Someone set us up the bomb.
Season 6: <Unintelligible>

OTM

^^^thanking u

they all died when the bomb went off btw. richard said he saw em die.

shakey do u understand that

When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, "That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this."

I am, in fact, pointing to the skeletons right now and I feel like telling everybody that they were proof that Darlton always knew they were going to do that.

That's so fun. "Isn't it clear that we intended, from the beginning, for one of the skeletons to belong to a character who was obliquely mentioned once and never introduced until the third-to-last episode of the entire series?"

Having had a day to mull it over, the thing that I think is the absolute worst is how they just carried on adding more and more unanswered stuff in season 6, saying there were rules then just confusing those rules particularly wrt Jacob, Man In Black - I still have no idea what their capabilities or limitations were and I think that's one of the worst things they left out/fudged. If you don't know the rules you can't anticipate what the characters could do or root for them to do the right thing - you're just as lost (ha) as they are and no actions have any significance - the audience just continues to be passive waiting to be told what does and doesn't matter.

I could forgive, to a point, a lot of the other storylines being left open-ended but considering Jacob v MIB was the over-arching, defining, under-pinning of EVERYTHING they needed to put in a few definite bold strokes - and this could have been done so easily. Just set a few ground rules, so everyone knows where things stand - probably at the start of season 6 - and all the other bullshit can happen around it. If they'd had a definite mythology there they could point to THAT and say they always knew what they were doing. Biggest wasted opportunity of the whole series, and that's saying something.

Why didn't Mr. Eko come back?

It's one of the most asked questions about Lost's final season. After all, everyone else returned! So what gives?

Sources tell me exclusively:

Lost's Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje--who played the iconic Mr. Eko--was offered a guest spot in last night's Lost series finale, but he...wait for it...turned it down.

According to ABC and Lost insiders, Adewale was offered a hearty sum to do one scene in the last hurrah, but the actor wanted five times the amount that was offered. It didn't work out.

his stick didn't have a yin yang on it

Because you were wondering:

You know those Oceanic 815 plane crash images that ran after Jack's (Matthew Fox) eye closed and the "Lost" logo appeared on our TV screens? Some "Lost" fans and TV critics have wondered if they were a last Easter egg from the producers, a clue meant to lead us to conclude that no one survived Oceanic 815's crash landing — and therefore everything we've seen over the last six years never really happened.

Well, ABC wants to clear the air: Those photographs were not part of the "Lost" story at all. The network added them to soften the transition from the moving ending of the series to the 11 p.m. news and never considered that it would confuse viewers about the actual ending of the show.

"The images shown during the end credits of the 'Lost' finale, which included shots of Oceanic 815 on a deserted beach, were not part of the final story but were a visual aid to allow the viewer to decompress before heading into the news," an ABC spokesperson wrote in an e-mail Tuesday.

That means, Losties, that we were not supposed to think that Christian Shepherd (John Terry) is a liar. What Christian told his son, when they were reunited at the church, should serve as guidance for our interpretation of the series' ending.

So let's review: Christian told Jack that he was dead and everyone else in the church was too — some had died before Jack, as we already knew, and some died long after. The sideways flashes then were a step in everyone's after-lives, a way to reconnect before moving on permanently. While there still may be unanswered questions related to that religious and spiritual conclusion to the "Lost" story, the photographs were really just a nostalgic, transitional touch added by ABC executives — and not executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.

Love or hate it, that's the final answer.

I never thought I'd like meddling execs version better.

I wonder what happens to people who are murdered in the purgatory world (Keamy).

:( Triple A

I wonder what happens to people who are murdered in the purgatory world (Keamy).

double secret purgatory

I read some dude's recap of the finale and there was a bit mentioned which seemed interesting and presumably deliberate-- when we came into view of the rpg save point, it was blatantly much less bright than when we first saw it in the Jacob/MiB origin story.

^^^ oh I didn't mean ILX user 'some dude', just y'know, some dude.

still wanna know why jacob let dharma people drill into the earth where majik energy was. that wasn't a threat to the island?

i know, i know, nothing matters now. but still...

Apologies if this was already linked/torn apart upthread, but this is supposedly a response to fans from one of the Bad Robot/Lost staff about the show and its ending: http://is.gd/cp6YT

I wasn't mad about it like most of the people in this thread, so whatever. I thought the part about the final scenes of the show being written in 2004 was interesting, though, and explains why it kind of seemed incongruous when considering how the show evolved over time.