Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

is this series canadian? it just feels very canadian for some reason, despite the cool goggle-eyed dude from mad max showing up.

legend of the seeker looks like a really interesting show i will check it out thanks scott

Would try out Fringe but stupid Hulu only has season 2.

i think they film seeker in new zealand.

The Tribune Company has decided not to renew the series as of March 4, 2010. The show's owner, ABC, has announced that while Tribune has decided to drop Seeker, this is not the deciding factor on whether it is cancelled completely.[3][4][5] On April 26th Ausiello Files reported that Legend of the Seeker had been cancelled and would not return for a third season.[6] Fans of the series have responded by launching a renewal campaign titled "Save Our Seeker".[7][8][9][10] Terry Goodkind has expressed his support for the campaign.[11][12][13]

Has anyone EVER managed a long form narrative like this which does all make sense in the end, without dropped threads or inconsistencies or unrealistic character motivations? I mean, I've not read War and Peace or anything, but maybe that's not even on the same scale anyway. LOST was pretty much the first (and may prove to be the last) time anyone's really had a chance to make this kind of thing work on tv, because yeah, they had the fixed end date to work towards. That's what makes it so disappointng to see them fail, but hey, maybe expecting them (or anyone else) to manage it in the first place was unrealistic.

Cuselof will never admit that they fudged this huh (and before people post 'fudged? more like shat on with bombs from space' i am not as outraged by what they've done as most ppl k)

I really liked this Canadian TV show that I thought was firefly for a while.
http://sharetv.org/images/starhunter_ca-show.jpg

It had a "WALT! WHERE'S MY BOY" story arc. I think they found him and he was a messiah or something, then the universe blew up and people shifted through time.

There is an actual rulebook and one continuity guy whose job it is to keep everything coherent. I might be confusing this guy with the Lucas counterpart, but apparently he uses some fancy custom database software to manage it.

Yeah, Gregg Nations has a lot to answer for.

Has anyone EVER managed a long form narrative like this which does all make sense in the end, without dropped threads or inconsistencies or unrealistic character motivations?

Sopranos. The Wire too, from what I can tell (I didn't watch the last season)

but, as has been pointed out, LOST (and BSG, and Twin Peaks) are a little different because they all centered around some kind of mystery

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

Even daily soap operas that have been on for like 40 years have made more sense, had fewer dropped threads and had more consistent character motivations than this shit. I mean, "she's in a coma!!!" makes a hell of a lot more sense than "yeah he's dead and now he's kind of like an evil slave zombie but also he's still good and can make his own decisions"

DS9 had a fairly long story arc that definitively concluded, but it did so by being a contrived religious war opera instead of a proper star trek series.

i really wouldnt have had a problem with some mysteries remaining mysteries--the problem was the choice of mysteries that WERE answered, and the utterly incompetent way the other mysteries were dropped from the series

No, really, guys.

http://net.educause.edu/er/erm07/erm0731_fig.gif

just caught up on this week's Breaking Bad and now I'm all "wtf is this Lost show everyone's harping on about?"

congratulations

n/a

I mean luckily I realized sometime around s3 or 4 that all the coincidences built into the show were just stuff for obsessive fans to notice and would never add up to anything. but at the beginning it seemed like the show was going to be both -- that it would make sense as an emotional / character-driven story for the casual viewer but that there was a second layer of crazy obsessive puzzles that made at least a little bit of sense and were logically consistent (key concept) when you picked em apart. At some point they pretty much jettisoned that and just told the characters' not-very-coherent story, and the puzzle aspect was just a bunch of random references to old episodes thrown around with no rhyme or reason plus a bunch of new shit that made no sense.

― dmr, Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:15 PM (2 hours ago)

this is EXACTLY how i feel, and what i find so frustrating

Has anyone EVER managed a long form narrative like this which does all make sense in the end, without dropped threads or inconsistencies or unrealistic character motivations?

A few dropped threads or inconsistencies would be one thing, but I just keep thinking of more and more and more things that were dropped or just don't make sense given the way things wrapped up, to the extent that it's pretty unforgiveable. Yes, LOST was fun for a good long while, but I highly doubt I will ever be compelled to watch anything the producers do in the future now that I realize the extent to which they made shit up as they went along (not a crime in and of itself) but then refused to even make it cohere in even the most batshit sense at the end of the day.

If it weren't for the fact that I think it fueled a really strong stretch of episodes in the middle there, I'd totally feel like the producers being given a definite end date is the worst thing that could've happened to the series.

Just as BSG's '...and they have a plan.' tagline came to be a stick to beat the writers with, LOST's very title is starting to seem pretty hilarious.

real question: how much turnover was there among the writers? I know they brought in hired guns at certain points like Brian K Vaughan but did someone in particular leave or quit that made the thrust of the show really change? I guess in theory Cuse and Lindelof were supposed to be steering the ship but I wonder.

what was jj abrams' involvement anyway?

drug dealer

weed carrier?

It's pretty weird to watch Season 1 of Lost and think "The smoke monster is actually a guy named Samuel from ancient times who is trying to prove that you are inherently evil and also kill you."

having never seen more than a few episodes of season 1, judging from this thread a neat little plot summary of this show would be hilarious/completely impenetrable

Abrams was what, co-creator and producer? My impression is he was more involved at the beginning but at some point he left to make MI:3 and Cloverfield and whatever else and never came back in any real way

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:28 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

^^^ this is mad hilar

'quote "light and water"'

And the commenters keep commenting:

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/05/lost-finale-reviews-which-most-likely-infuriated-die-hard-lost-fans/

Unlike Seinfeld , Friends and Everybody Loves Raymond, Lost moved you in spiritual and adventurous way.

wiki

Abrams directed and wrote the two-part pilot for Lost and remained active producer for the first half of the season. He later co-wrote the teleplay for Lost's third season premiere A Tale of Two Cities, and continued to participate in creative meetings with Damon Lindleof and Carlton Cuse about the direction and mythology of the show until its finish.

Here's everyone who got a writing credit on the show, and which seasons their episodes aired:

JJ Abrams (1, 3)
Carlton Cuse (1-6)
Leonard Dick (1, 2)
Paul Dini (1)
Brent Fletcher (1)
David Fury (1)
Jim Galasso (6)
Drew Goddard (1, 3, 4)
Javier Grillo-Marxuach (1, 2)
Adam Horowitz (1-6)
Jennifer Johnson (1)
Dawn Lambertson Kelly (2)
Christina M. Kim (2-4)
Edward Kitsis (1-6)
Damon Lindelof (1-6)
Lynne E. Litt (1)
Steven Maeda (2)
Greggory Nations (4-6)
Monica Owusu-Breen (3)
Kyle Pennington (4-5)
Jeff Pinkner (3)
Matt Ragghianti (2)
Graham Roland (6)
Jordan Rosenberg (3)
Elizabeth Sarnoff (2-6)
Alison Schapker (3)
Janet Tamaro (1)
Christian Taylor (1)
Melinda Hsu Taylor (5, 6)
Brian K. Vaughan (3-5)
Craig Wright (2)
Paul Zbyszewski (5, 6)

Who wrote paulo and nikki?

Dear

Greggory Nations (4-6)
Graham Roland (6)
Elizabeth Sarnoff (2-6)
Melinda Hsu Taylor (5-6)
Paul Zbyszewski (5-6),

Fuck you.

David Fury wrote Walkabout -- I always hoped he would write more for Lost after that.

I was really hoping they'd pull some Wizard of Oz type shit where the statue, the temple, Jacob, etc, were all mystical BS put there by Widmore/Eloise whoever all to disguise the fact the island is some sort of time travel machine built in part by Faraday. And tie the numbers in some way to that, and Dharma, and make the electro-magnetism some sort of time travel side effect which is why the island's hidden in the first place. And maybe Desmond living down there for three years made him immune. Or whatever.

But I was expecting what we got. Whatever,everybody kisses and goes to heaven. But it's just too bad they didn't even try to wrap up any of the stuff that made the show so much fun in the first place.

Who wrote paulo and nikki?

I dunno who conceived the characters, but Kitsis and Horowitz wrote "Expose."

The thing is, I get the impression that Cuse and Lindelof are the ones responsible for the general narrative direction of the show, and the staff writers just sort of fill in the dialogue a lot of the time.

Typically episode writers have zero individual control over the plot points within an episode.

I was really hoping they'd pull some Wizard of Oz type shit where the statue, the temple, Jacob, etc, were all mystical BS put there by Widmore/Eloise whoever all to disguise the fact the island is some sort of time travel machine built in part by Faraday. And tie the numbers in some way to that, and Dharma, and make the electro-magnetism some sort of time travel side effect which is why the island's hidden in the first place. And maybe Desmond living down there for three years made him immune. Or whatever.

It's pretty sad that almost every fan theory I've read is better than what we got in the end. At least insofar as most of the theories involve some sort of resolution.

The review I read in the link above that said something about 'creative cowardice' is just about right. I think Cuse and Lindelof have been mentioning that a lot of stuff wouldn't be resolved for a while now because they realized that they'd painted themselves into a corner. In the end, they failed to resolve most of the lingering mysteries. And a lot of the ones that they did resolve seemed half-assed and perfunctory.

they're the bernie madoff of 44-minute drama is who they are

serious request - can someone post a brief synopsis of each season

No, you have to truly share in our pain to UNDERSTAND

Deric you do realize you just quoted this entire thread, right?

loooolllllzzzzz not trying to embarrass anyone, but its fun to look at this thread and see the speculation that obviously was all for nothing. fun and kinda sad.

"Was there any significance in Smokey/Locke cutting off a piece of the rug or tapestry thing in the room where Jacon died? I just thought the size and shape of the piece he cut off to wipe the knife on was almost exactly the same as the piece of rug the shadow of the statue dudes found in the cabin..."

my mind was not blown but i have faith that the writers won't fuck this up

― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, February 4, 2010 2:52 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm sure when I went back to the season 4 thread I found a quote from the writers which said that the episode "Not in Portland" had an anagram that would relate to the skeletons. All I can think of is that this would be 'mittelos' = lost time, not exactly a mind-blower nor related to the skellingtons in any way.

Actually I'm sure the writers came up with something like this every week, can anyone put them together and try them for crimes against humanity?

man of science, cutty of faith