Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

At least there'll be a remake in 20 years that our kids will love and we'll get to bitch about how the remake's final episode was no way near as good as 'our' finale.

Note to self: if there is ever a remake, please don't waste six years watching it.

Noteworthy: Eloise Hawking seems to know the score, has access to this way-station/purgatory reality, maybe without being a part of it. "You're not going to take my son, are you?"

note: oh another unexplained thing that throws up 1000 more questions

you've got to let go

that's my line

well, live it son, don't just spew it

glad jack's tattoos featured in the finale

sorry guys i can't read all these posts tonight...will read all tomorrow

all i wanna say is...i made wild boar sausages tonight and it was delicious

also watched lost but maybe we'll talk about that tomorrow :S

afaict this is not a 'joke' 'sarcastic' reaction:

http://www.fosterkamer.com/post/627080739/perfect

foster kamer is g dam terrible

fuck, i can't believe how much that ending/entire season sucked

don't want to think about it

it's not even that it didn't resolve arcane mysteries like the dharma food-drops. it didn't even explain what the fuck the 'alt timeline' *was*. it's some stage of the afterlife as imagined by _____________

i mean first question: when did the alt-timeline/purgatory *start*? not at the start of the season, i.e. on the plane, but just at some other time? it had nothing to do with the island sinking (which happened why?) or with the bomb (so far as i can tell)

I get the sense that the original conception for the ending (before they even shot the Pilot) was for the island to be purgatory and the flashbacks were to show how the characters had all been connected together, which would explain why they were in purgatory together. I'd say the idea of having "flashsideways" to purgatory was hatched sometime in season 5 -- Jack disappearing from the Ajira plane is a setup to have the coffin disappear, which would set off the reveal scene, which was probably part of the original planned JJ Abrams ending.

liking this more the more i think about it.

and by 'think about it' i mean 'skim all the angry posts and solidify a contrarian stance'

afaict this is not a 'joke' 'sarcastic' reaction:

http://www.fosterkamer.com/post/627080739/perfect

― max, Monday, May 24, 2010 7:26 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest

what kind of horseshit is this

This was a worse ending than I ever thought possible. Fuck you Lost.

oh yeah has anyone mentioned how the scene between Jack & Christian was cribbed heavily from an almost identical scene at the end of the last Harry Potter book?

was gonna say that gukbe

But wasn't every scene in the Harry Potter books cribbed from other works?

J K Rowling had enough money to go forward in time and find out how this ended, and then adapted it from there. Easy.

She came up with better results.

no-one ever really dies (except christian... who dies in purgatory)

I was more or less on board until the point they went into the church, and for the last ten minutes I was all "fuck you fuck you fuck you". I can't believe they even trailered it with Kate going "CHRISTIAN SHEPHERD DO YOU SEE???" Fuck them for creating that mythology, that big complex story across most of the world and most of the 20th century and making the whole thing pointless.

Even the alt-timeline as purgatory doesn't make any sense. So they were just wandering around not being able to remember anything and then suddenly they did?

For a second when I saw Ben not go into the church I thought the whole thing was going to blow up, which would have been a better ending.

Also even within the shitty ending we got, we're supposed to believe that Sayid after all that would have plumped for Shannon instead of Nadia? And yeah, not putting any black dudes in there, way to reinforce all that criticism you've been getting guys.

"I think they're in purgatory" was the sort of thing people who stopped watching at Season 2 said. It was pretty much the first thing that came into anyone's minds at the start of S1.

Amazingly this managed to be even more mawkish and drawn out than David Tennant blowing up in Dr Who. Some achievement.

Even the alt-timeline as purgatory doesn't make any sense. So they were just wandering around not being able to remember anything and then suddenly they did?

that's not odd at all, there are 2 billion fictional depictions of ghosts/people in the afterlife who don't realize they're dead and go on roaming the earth (or some version of it inside their head) until they realize what's going on and 'find peace' or 'move on' etc.

Is it really purgatory when at least Charlie leaves through that door, he's going to end up back on the main timeline as a ghost?

I bet everyone was waiting around so long for Hurley to die that they just plum forget who they were.

I think all of these are valid questions:

How did Jack get out of the cave of light?
Why would people invent unhappy versions of their lives for the sideways world?
(Why was the sideways afterlife happy for some Losties, but less-than-great for others?)
What killed Ben and Hurley?
Why were some characters at the church, but not others?
How bad do you have to be to get stuck in island whisper purgatory?
Who were the skeletons in the cave with the light?
Why was Desmond chosen to be the link?
Why did MIB turn into the Smoke Monster?
What happened to the rest of the world when the light went out?
(We saw that the island started to shake and crumble into the sea, but wasn't the entire world supposed to be deeply in trouble if the light was extinguished? Wasn't that the whole reason for Jacob spending thousands of years protecting it?)

(It's possible that I've just missed the answers to some of these.)

Also, did we ever know why Desmond had such unique abilities?

i guess the idea, stupid as it is, is that the people in the church were the people that bonded the most on the island? like maybe Ben's years of getting mixed up with the gang and occasionally being an uneasy ally outweighed the couple months Michael spent being the most uptight and alienated castaway?

holy crap this show
i'm all for the *They could have done ANYTHING with all this* argument. why was this not actually a show about time travel and alternate universes and the limits of the human mind/body? because the writers are too dumb. maybe at the beginning, some of them were smart, talented even, and they left or got too drunk and high or just plain lazy and ultimately dumb, thinking that since people just love that reality tv stuff, then why not learn a few writing lessons from it. y'know, because Characters Matter.

getting people to cry isn't hard. getting people to believe in something, way harder.
what sad suckage.

if getting thrown into the cave of light kills you and makes you a smoke monster, and we saw two or three skeletons down in the cave, then there should be two or three other smoke monsters roaming the island. maybe that's who ben and hurley had to protect the island from.

I would have actually preferred a shit ending to the maudlin clip show punctuated with ham-fisted heartstring jerks and oh so clever in jokeyness that we just got.

haven't seen much of the writers on tv interviews etc but the more I do see of them the more I think they just don't have any of the skills that would have been needed to pull off what they stupidly promised. also I hate them.

remember they were supposed to be droppin refs to shit like the third policeman LOL

i also have a feeling that the producers were sharing their stupid juice with the writers

i just wanna spread the hate around to all the right people involved

MiB turned into the smoke monster because of the special properties endowed upon them by their adopted mother? Jack was carried out of the cave by the new wave of water? Sad sideways lives because people like Sayid subconsciously or consciously didn't believe they deserved better?

whatever, really.

I will say I wasn't nearly as flustered by the Sayid/Shannon thing as others were. I can see the reasoning that he was always chasing Nadia because he felt she was the one truly redeeming thing he had ever done, while hooking up with Shannon on the island was when he was actually working towards building something new without all the torture baggage.

(not really 'hate')
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holy crap this show
i'm all for the *They could have done ANYTHING with all this* argument. why was this not actually a show about time travel and alternate universes and the limits of the human mind/body? because the writers are too dumb. maybe at the beginning, some of them were smart, talented even, and they left or got too drunk and high or just plain lazy and ultimately dumb, thinking that since people just love that reality tv stuff, then why not learn a few writing lessons from it. y'know, because Characters Matter.

getting people to cry isn't hard. getting people to believe in something, way harder.
what sad suckage.

― planes/octaves/dimensions of existence (rrrobyn), Monday, May 24, 2010 9:15 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

science: dropped

Regardless, I just didn't think that Sayid's relationship with Shannon had been developed enough for me to even care that they got back together, certainly not enough for me to buy that it could have the transcendent effect that it did. (I did buy Charlie/Claire as being important parts of each other's 'new lives'.)

(xpost to Gukbe)

Maybe the alt is a smoke monster produced when Jack fell in. Smoke monsters can scan brains so inside the smoke monster, there are pockets of scanned brains that interact with each other in smoke-space. When they realize what's up, they can exit the smoke as smoke-poop. If you wanted a secular reading.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4637049715_1bd10bc7cf_o.jpg

MiB turned into the smoke monster because of the special properties endowed upon them by their adopted mother?

What were these powers though? How do they differ from the power passed on to Jack and Hurley (and Ben?)? Who was the adopted mother and why did she have these powers to pass on?

Sad sideways lives because people like Sayid subconsciously or consciously didn't believe they deserved better?

I can buy this, actually. It's still a crappy idea but it's at least logically consistent.

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adopted mom said "i've made it so you can't hurt each other", presumably using that crazy island magic that doesn't come with an instruction manual. her definition of "hurt" is a little arcane, tho.

such a shame but it all seems to pointless even discussing now

it was a really bad ending

in the context of this season it was more or less what i was expecting

it was good to see jack die at the end

i guess everyone figured this out already but the wheel in the stained glass is called the Wheel of Law. the frozen donkey wheel looked like it and was used to manipulate the island's law-governing power.

i hope hurley used his magical island powers to generate all the hot pockets he could desire.

I didn't really care or go all gooey when they got together, but then again the show never consistently hit the emotional spots it wanted to. I remember deploring the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle as dull and lifeless (this might just be down to Kate being a bit crap), and was ecstatic when Saywer and Juliet made a life for themselves. But yeah, Sayid/Shannon, I always expected to watch those things happen without being emotionally invested. That's what Lost has been all along.
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I get the major hate for this from people who have pulled apart and discussed all the details and whatnot, but as I've always considered it to be fun and fairly enjoyable, it was always a second tier show. Also, even though the ending was schmaltzy, it worked intercut with Jack dying because, even though we see them and they all lived fake lives in purgatory, most of these people still died. Jack's life was kind of tragic all told, and even if he found some level of acceptance it was still pretty downbeat.

I mean, I agree with bnw. It kept me entertained for 2.5h and even moved me sometimes, and so was actually better than what I was expecting from the rest of this season. However, it was pretty cheap and easy and it certainly did not live up to the expectations set by previous seasons.

xposts Ha, OK, you didn't care either.