Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

I definitely wouldn't have teared up when Vincent laid down with dying Jack if I'd been watching Jack puttering around his suburban home doing yard work on weekends.

At least, not unless something blew up right afterwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_5ZQW0BCFU

giant spaghetti monster swoops into church, eats hurley

i'm just gonna say this one more time, my problem with the finale and this season is that they could have done ANYTHING. they had SO MUCH to work with. lots of cool characters and myths and backstories and all kinds of ingedients to make a truly WTF OMG DID YOU SEE THAT FINALE NO WAY I ALMOST DIED!!!! ending to the show. and they chose to go quietly into the night. which is kind of a bummer, even though, like i said, i had low expecations. when i think of how COOL some of the first episodes of some seasons where or some of the season finales were i know that they had it in them to do it. this show, for those who may have forgotten, could be AWESOME at times. this ending was not very awesome. or cool. i kept thinking of that intro with desmond in the hatch getting up and playing music and how mysterious and wild that was. and how much i really did like most of the characters. and wanted to know more about them. man, that seems like a long time ago. this whole year i didn't care what happened to anyone. they were all so dreary. granted we were stuck in limbo with them - a seemingly dreary place - but still, kinda sad overall.

@polyphonic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharmacakra

unless i'm missing something?

Oh I didn't know that! I just assumed it was related to the show's many wheels.

thinkin the folks at videogum don't know that either!

BURP

totally forgot desmond waking up in the hatch

That scene is so much better than anything in the finale.

Yeah, remember when this show was awesome?

Hurley wants us to remember the good times, you guys.

if the old lost writer thinks that jack having a wee cut on his neck in the first ep of season six is a clue

"my problem with the finale and this season is that they could have done ANYTHING."

once they committed to having some sense of conclusion, they have their hands tied. all the previous "awesomeness" was predicated on there being more to come.
I can't name a single series that went out guns blazing and simultaneously committing to some semblance of conclusion. are there any?

whole church bit at the end plus the strings made me really just think:

http://polaroidsofandroids.com/images/news/2007-10-31-november-rain/slash.jpg

the old and young lost writers saying anything now can only make it shitter

turns out that there are a lot of people who thought the ending was--im gagging here--like, SPIRITUAL, and BEAUTIFUL and, christ, MEANINGFUL

a friend posted this on facebook

therefore, the entirety of this sideways universe was not so much for the characters of lost. it was ultimately completely irrelevant... See More to the storyline on the island. what the sideways universe did, was it created an opportunity for the viewers to pause and reflect on the series. the flashes that everyone experienced was not just their characters remembering their time on the island - it was for us to remember the show from its glorious six year run. that little bit in the church was the writers saying goodbye and allowing for us to have that happy time with the characters.

what that also does is really affirm everything Darlton said about the nature of the show really being about the characters - they wrapped up the storyline for the island, and maybe that wasn't satisfactory in a lot of ways (I know I had a lot of issues with it). but the point was that the island was really just the background. it was the characters all along who made the show important to us, and the rest was just, in a lot of ways, noise; or rather, a means of telling the story of these characters. so Darlton, with this episode, are saying, "yo dudes, we'll tell you the end to the island, but what matters here is all of the people you've followed the last six years."

perfect.

my god what kool-aid drunk shit!

The more stuff that I think about that was brought up for the first time this season and left dangling (or at least unsatisfactorily unresolved), the more chagrined I am. I neither expected nor particularly wanted everything spelled out, but a lot of this shit was just sloppy.

& again last night was only the second time i'd seen lost, but that defense of the ending makes it seem like the most indefensible cop out of a final episode ever

so they never explained how jacob managed to get off the island to go touch everybody at significant moments in their lives. before i thought it was ~magic~, because he was ~like a god~, but it turns out he's just some dude? with no real knowledge or mystic understanding of what he's doing? and he created a bunch of complex rules for controlling the island that don't actually have a basis in fact, so when hurley takes over he can just, like, make up new rules?

also i guess allison janney wasn't the smoke monster, just a really strong woman who can move huge quantities of earth with her bare hands.

she's not a monster?

x-post "The Shield" went out guns blazing and in top form. Seven seasons, right? And ended on the perfect note. Eat that, "Lost."

all i know about jacob is that he was WORST GUARDIAN EVER. he let dharma dudes drill holes into the heart of the island for years. why did he even let those guys ON the island in the first place?

jacob made up all these crazy rules because he was an uneducated savage.

he was like that little kid in the twilight zone episode. if he didn't like you you would disappear.

Also, bullshit to all of the 'it's about the characters' nonsense. The characters have largely become annoying cyphers or lost what was once awesome about them (see: Ben). The show was increasingly plot-centric, to the point of turning most of the characters into little more than cogs in some big Rube Goldberg machine worked by Smokey, Widmore, et al over the last season. I remarked to someone sometime during s6 that I couldn't think of another show which I'd been so invested in and (with only a handful of exceptions) didn't really care what happened to the characters. I don't think the producers were terribly cognizant of their strengths or their weaknesses, which is why we got what we got.

I don't think the producers were terribly cognizant of their strengths or their weaknesses, which is why we got what we got.

That's putting it kindly.

I think we can all agree that this was SO much better than the wire

I'm like grabbing my head in frustration about this "all about the characters" party line. If it's all about the characters, why did Sayid suddenly shift gears from loving Nadia more than anything to loving Shannon more than anything? Given that a hallmark of the entire series was that the characters did all sorts of ridiculous things without asking the kinds of questions that any normal person would ask, therefore making them cyphers motivation-wise and turning them into parodies, it just galls me to no end to hear this "all about the characters" defense.

Especially when I think about stuff like Desmond in the hatch, which was really freaking great.

xp and HIGH FIVE to Deric W. Haircare.

xpost suggest ban

You have to put it in perspective of how crazy the meetings must have been between the writers and producers. Pat "buzzwords" like "it's all about the characters" had to have been things chanted into infinity just to keep the show on the air.

UGH, The Wire. Why is it so hard to end good TV shows well? Rhetorical question, that.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/lost-possibly-still-airing-in-parallel-dimension-d,17485/

Wire finale > BSG Finale > Lost finale

I'm really reluctant to open this can o' worms, but Ron Moore et al used "it's all about the characters" as their excuse for the Battlestar series finale, too. So not only is it bullshit coming from Cuse and Lindleface, it's also not even original bullshit.

Sopranos finale >>>>>>>>>>>>>> every other finale

except for maybe Twin Peaks

'"The Shield" went out guns blazing and in top form.'
haven't seen the shield due to wire-fatigue. is it better than the wire? Does chiklis die choking on a hotdog? That was my idea for how to end the wire, but I guess it's more conceptually awesome than in practice.

never bothered with this show and reading this thread am kinda glad I didn't

Wire finale was not awesome, but if there was anything in there as egregious as 'lol kara was actually a ainjil' or 'they really in heavan together' I must have been tired and missed it?

I'm not trying to be That Guy, but if anybody is going to spoil the ending of the Wire (we're on episode five, season five!!!) could you put a spoiler alert in front of it?

xpost Shakey first 2 or 3 seasons are str8 awes

Don't worry there's no high-concept one sentence bullshit abt the Wire ending so it is not easily spoiled.

Okay, cool. Thanks!

I can't name a single series that went out guns blazing and simultaneously committing to some semblance of conclusion. are there any?

― Philip Nunez, Monday, May 24, 2010 1:53 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

sopranos finale

by refuting the very idea of "conclusion"!

i mean that shit went down GUNS BLAZING. what a great way to end the series.

X-post "Shield" finale is some poetic justice that perfectly sums up the gist of the show. One of those "even when you win you lose" sort of deals.

Man, if anything shows like "Lost" are all about characterture. They keep characters around because people like seeing them and the consistent way they act from ep to ep. Which is why the "let's get the gang back together" ending is such a cop out, as if viewers weren't intelligent or invested enough for something more challenging and complex rather than mawkish and sentimental (however effectively).

I mean, back to "The Shield," characters in that show made choices and suffered the consequences. They weren't pawns in a game someone else was playing. They were playing the game.

this was not as BAAAAAAAAD as battlestar but it was waaaaaaaay LAAAAAAAAAAAAMEr

DW Haircare OTM

if only it had been about the characters

it makes absolutely no difference anymore, BUT...

re richard making it in the modern day world: not such a big deal. the modern world has come to the island many times over the years, and he's been out in it himself like when he did the buddha objects test thing with young locke. plus didn't he have some hospital/business type role back when they recruited juliet?