Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

i don't remember any of this business about smokey fooling the others that locke was their future leader

It's a convoluted self-fulfilling prophecy which involves Smokey, Locke and Richard. It falls down a bit when you consider how it possibly started in the first place, like virtually all time travel fiction does, and where the hell the compass came from. This bit of the last thread outlines it quite well.

kinda doubt that they knew what smokey was when the show began. wonder at what point they decided

Yeah I'd go with this, I think I preferred it when everyone thought Smokey was just a security system. I think maybe their ideas changed midway through S3 or 4?

The Hurley situation has started bugging me. Jacob was like "you were all flawed before you came here"...but what was Hurley's problem? He was nuts, because he was driven nuts by bad luck, bad luck that followed on from his lottery win, a win he got using JACOB'S NUMBERS. So he was only screwed up because Jacob screwed him up - why wouldn't he go "dude, wait..." at the campfire?? On the one hand they keep saying "we want to keep it character driven", but then they completely forget the motivations and histories of individual characters.

Yeah I think at some point next episode either Sawyer or Hurley is going to twig this. Mostly their lives in the alt-timeline are much better. Jacob's been a massive dick to all of them.

..but what was Hurley's problem? He was nuts, because he was driven nuts by bad luck, bad luck that followed on from his lottery win, a win he got using JACOB'S NUMBERS.

IIRC Hurley first heard those numbers when he was already in a mental hospital, so he had some problems pre-Jacob.

The Numbers were first featured prominently in the Season 1 episode "Numbers" as the winning lottery numbers that made Hurley a multi-millionaire. He first heard them from Leonard at the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute, who originally heard them with Sam Toomey on a radio transmission when they were stationed at a listening post in the Pacific with the Navy.

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

The thing I found funny about Jacob crossing Kate off because she became a mommy is that he obv. didn't care about Aaron being "raised by another."

it would be funny if they just completely forgot about Claire on the island in the finale, just like the characters have.

^^^^btw this is why i think she might end up being the new MiB

jack/claire are SIBLINGS and one is BORING AND GOOD and the other is CRAZY AND BAD BUT W/LEGIT GRUDGE

good one

true indeed

As far as I can tell, Claire has been a 100% pointless presence this series. Can't blame them for forgetting about her.

Xpost oh god Claire turning into Smokey would just about be the lamest thing ever. I wouldn't be able to take her seriously as a threat even if she turned into a billowing cloud of black smoke and smashed me repatedly against a tree.

there must be a reason they haven't killed her yet

omg u guys its totally gonna happen

srsly, it's a great call

I hope Claire kills Kate & angry Jack throws her down the light river.

Maybe the final shot will be Jacob and original MIB sitting on the yacht, drinking cocktails with umbrellas in them, while sailing away from the island and going "suckers", as Jack and Claire fight with each other for all eternity.

forgot about the numbers

There's a chance Sawyer will become the new Jacob or MIB--given that like the two of them he took revenge on the person responsible for his mother's death. (Though likely there was never any point to all the father-killing/mother-avenging stuff other than thematic business.)

woah so many posts

that episode was decent

- i'm glad they killed widmore because i never cared about the ben vs widmore fighting for control of the island storyline but i can understand how the people who did would be seriously pissed about this
- it doesn't make sense that jacob brought everyone to the island because they were flawed. plenty of the ppl brought to the island are no more flawed than yr average person.
- i personally wish they had stayed with the time loop stuff to wrap up the show rather than introducing the jacob/mib plot for the final season but i understand its not my show and everyone has their own opinion on this
- glad to see ben back on form (what a waste this season!) serves as a reminder that actually this show has been held together by a very small number of excellent characters (ben,locke,desmond.....?) amongst a whole load of useless characters (+actors)

i absolutely agree that they have a huge curveball planned for the final episode. if they don't i will be severely disappointed. thinking back to the older mysteries of the show does make me angry but it was still entertaining. i would have more sympathy with the writers had this series not been so bad basically.

could juliet be the mysterious mother of jack's son? we haven't seen her in the alt yet right?

maybe alt-clairemonster is sneaking into alt-jack's bedroom at night and cutting his neck

hearing her voice over breakfast would be enough to make my neck start bleeding

MOY BAGEL

gbx is going to be right and I'm going to have wasted six years of my life.

not gonna happen. they have to bring claire's dead body back to the island first and why the hell would mib want to be claire in the first place

If the final scene is a split-screen of Claire holding up Jack's severed head to the camera in both realities then wasting the last 6 years of our lives will have been worth it.

not gonna happen. they have to bring claire's dead body back to the island first and why the hell would mib want to be claire in the first place

transgendered MIB

MOI VAGOINAH!

I guess once the series ends, this development could herald the rise of Lost-themed slash fiction.

"jack/claire are SIBLINGS and one is BORING AND GOOD and the other is CRAZY AND BAD BUT W/LEGIT GRUDGE"

And then there's the music box their father gave them, with its small mirror reflecting their faces...

IIRC Hurley first heard those numbers when he was already in a mental hospital, so he had some problems pre-Jacob.

i thought he just went to the mental hospital to spend time with the patients out of charity

that's in the alt timeline

not gonna happen. they have to bring claire's dead body back to the island first and why the hell would mib want to be claire in the first place

Don't think we were talking about MIB taking over Claire's body like he did Locke, but Claire actually becoming the new Smokey after Smokey dies--you know, getting tossed into the light river like MIB was.

As long as Finale Baby is not the total centerpiece of sunday night, everything else is gravy afaik.

hoping we get a little http://theweightinggame.ivillage.com/dietfitness/DANCING_BABY.gif... remember, the finale does take place at a concert

Wait, sorry...I can't remember...is there a possibility that this is a DRIVESHAFT concert?

Someone please remind me that Charlie died (again) or that Driveshaft broke up or something

I'm pretty sure the concert is the Daniel Faraday Classical 'n' Rock FusionPalooza.

Eloise Hawking has long been my least fave character, incidentally, and I'm bummed she's likely to be all over the finale.

Oh yeah jesus 'he has this notion of combining classical composition with the modern rock band' fuck I had blocked that out of my memory but it's gonna happen and it's gonna be painful. Unless Giacchino writes the whole thing.

haha totally. that is like, the worst idea for music ever.

imagine a full hour of the finale is just that

Didn't Charlie cancel the Driveshaft/Faraday concert? And anyway it would've been days ago, before Locke gets hit by a car, operated on, recovers, etc.

I think the concert is Jack's son's recital, probably at P Chang's museum benefit. That gets almost everyone together:

Jack and Claire (and Jack's ex wife - Juliet?)
Desmond/Hurley/Kate/Sayid crashing
Miles and Sawyer attending
Charlotte works at the museum, right?

I don't know about Jin and Sun though.

Oh yeah you might be right... we might have dodged that bullet.

'he has this notion of combining classical composition with the modern rock band'

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Mvp_7h5J47c/R-LHSBh6Y6I/AAAAAAAAAEU/ypqBiaMTpVE/s320/Yngwie_Malmsteen_-_Fire___Ice-%5BFront%5D.jpg

LOL. But then what if it turned out to be some awesome RIO/Magma thing?

what if it's on some mr holland's opus

guh-BARF and all too likely

I think the concert is Jack's son's recital

Shit, yeah, you must be right. Does that mean we have to see "Dogen" again? I get angry when I start to think of how much time was spent this season with people lounging around that goddamned temple hot tubbin' and contemplating baseballs.

Who else is possibly going to pop up in last-second cameos at this concert? Mr. Eko as a sheet music page turner? Frogurt conducting in tails?

Classical = jack's son
Rock = driveshaft

Somehow I think there is going to be an unholy combination of the two into one concert.

could be Emerson, Lake and Palmer too, who knows