Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

There's no credible way they can explain a big cloud of angry black smoke that kills people. There never has been. From the second it appeared it was obvious this was going to be mystical bollocks from then on in, I can't believe people are only just getting annoyed about it now.

^YES!

So why is Smokey stuck in that form now? Because Jacob's finally dead? That doesn't make sense, if all it takes to replace Jacob is drinking to magical creek water.

"mystical bollocks" can be done right

epic fail here

yeah exactly...nobody's looking for exact science, it's not even "mystical bollocks", they haven't actually even tried to explain anything whatsoever, they said "he went into a cave and came out a smoke monster that then wanted to kill everyone"

ffs raise your standards

the stuff with him taking over locke's body etc was quite cool, as was all the smokey stuff up until this series, hence the disappointment. if it was bound to be shit it'd have been shit the instant he was introduced. you'd swear any non scientifically logical storyline in history was by nature bound to be as shit as "he went into a cave and came out as some smoke that kills people"

"he went into a cave and came out a smoke monster that then wanted to kill everyone"

im ok with this

but i would have liked to know more, espesh about what the consequences are of it escaping

and why jacob chose these six people in particular, how he was able to know who to touch

and some other things

billions of other things...they had four seasons and knew when the show was ending and they pissed half it against the wall making up bullshit WAU moments that never actually led anywhere or made any sense and ultimately all contradicted each other. this generated excitement but they've conclusively failed to prove they ever had any fucking idea of or plan for most of the main plotlines of the entire six seasons.

But... THE SKELETONS!

DO U SEE?

yeah that whole "the skeletons will prove we always knew where we were going", lol@that. the skeletons whose identity we can decide at any point will prove we always knew where we were going.

haha i'd love to see you guys rip shit apart at bible study.

I used to do that before I stopped going to church altogether.

the bible isn't supposed to be entertainment, is it?

I guess not, but parts of it are about as narratively sound as Lost.

Complaining about bad writing is a totally different thing to going 'OMG I can't believe we're never going to get an explanation for this" when there's a whole episode to go and it's one of the biggest mysteries in the whole thing.

which mystery are we talking about?

The food drops. Stay with us!!!

What Smokey is, was my assumption.

At least wait until the series is over before complaining they've dicked us over for answers.

all will be explained in the books

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"parts of it are about as narratively sound as Lost."

Lost very smartly waits till last season for the origin story. Bible fucks it up in season one. Also, Bible never explains where the Others come from.

Admittedly virtually every answer we've been given so far this year has been k-lame but you never know, we might get lucky against all logic.

I think that the Bible holds together way better narratively than Lost, and the writers probably were paid a lot worse too.

there are lots of different versions of the bible

it's all in our hands what 'lost' is

maybe we should begin to decide which scenes from lost are actually 'canon'

probably would read Lost graphic novel - for better dialogue

don't tell me what I can't BIFF!

Jacob and his twin brother, Esau...

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xpost it was bible Jacob who had to wrestle an angel in order to lead some ppl across a river right?

I bet they could drown the smoke monster

seems he came out of water tho. maybe he has to be chucked back into the same cave (sure why not).

maybe he goes back into the cave and animals eat rope

for ref

If MIB is actually the good one, then it could be an inversion of the bible scenario: an angel has to fight Jacob to get across the water.

Okay, so now it really doesn't make sense. Smokey brought them all back, including dead Locke, so he could kill Jacob and then kill all of them so he can leave? Why didn't Smokey just con someone in the others camp or even Rose or Bernard?

Smokey: Kill this guy and you'll be left alone forever.
Rose: Alright.

Nah, this doesn't wash. Killing Jacob hinged on getting access to him in the first place, which no one except Richard had managed to do. Smokey needed to first convince the Others that Locke was their future leader, and then pose as Locke in order to get Ben anywhere near Jacob in the first place.

billions of other things...they had four seasons and knew when the show was ending and they pissed half it against the wall making up bullshit WAU moments that never actually led anywhere or made any sense and ultimately all contradicted each other. this generated excitement but they've conclusively failed to prove they ever had any fucking idea of or plan for most of the main plotlines of the entire six seasons.

I actually think the Locke story is proof they had worked out at least a significant proportion of it.

tbrr i've forgotten too much at this point. i don't remember any of this business about smokey fooling the others that locke was their future leader!

kinda doubt that they knew what smokey was when the show began. wonder at what point they decided.

The Hurley situation has started bugging me. Jacob was like "you were all flawed before you came here"...but what was Hurley's problem? He was nuts, because he was driven nuts by bad luck, bad luck that followed on from his lottery win, a win he got using JACOB'S NUMBERS. So he was only screwed up because Jacob screwed him up - why wouldn't he go "dude, wait..." at the campfire?? On the one hand they keep saying "we want to keep it character driven", but then they completely forget the motivations and histories of individual characters.

Hurley should also have said something like "hey, those six numbers you sent to fuck me up with also turned out to be the numbers of the last six candidates, and you knew those numbers ages ago, so why did you even bring everyone else here?".

Sure, this could be explained by something like "the island made the numbers, not jacob", but then we're in "the island brings people in, not jacob" territory, which kinda contradicts what jacob's been saying.

i guess - you could argue that Hurley had unresolved daddy/self-esteem/psychological issues before he hit the jackpot. what lead to him being in santa rosa originally was feeling responsible for killing two people by via a collapsed deck accident

also "across the sea" made it clear that the island is drawing people to it regardless of whatever the protector does or wants

i don't remember any of this business about smokey fooling the others that locke was their future leader

It's a convoluted self-fulfilling prophecy which involves Smokey, Locke and Richard. It falls down a bit when you consider how it possibly started in the first place, like virtually all time travel fiction does, and where the hell the compass came from. This bit of the last thread outlines it quite well.

kinda doubt that they knew what smokey was when the show began. wonder at what point they decided

Yeah I'd go with this, I think I preferred it when everyone thought Smokey was just a security system. I think maybe their ideas changed midway through S3 or 4?

The Hurley situation has started bugging me. Jacob was like "you were all flawed before you came here"...but what was Hurley's problem? He was nuts, because he was driven nuts by bad luck, bad luck that followed on from his lottery win, a win he got using JACOB'S NUMBERS. So he was only screwed up because Jacob screwed him up - why wouldn't he go "dude, wait..." at the campfire?? On the one hand they keep saying "we want to keep it character driven", but then they completely forget the motivations and histories of individual characters.

Yeah I think at some point next episode either Sawyer or Hurley is going to twig this. Mostly their lives in the alt-timeline are much better. Jacob's been a massive dick to all of them.

..but what was Hurley's problem? He was nuts, because he was driven nuts by bad luck, bad luck that followed on from his lottery win, a win he got using JACOB'S NUMBERS.

IIRC Hurley first heard those numbers when he was already in a mental hospital, so he had some problems pre-Jacob.

The Numbers were first featured prominently in the Season 1 episode "Numbers" as the winning lottery numbers that made Hurley a multi-millionaire. He first heard them from Leonard at the Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute, who originally heard them with Sam Toomey on a radio transmission when they were stationed at a listening post in the Pacific with the Navy.

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

The thing I found funny about Jacob crossing Kate off because she became a mommy is that he obv. didn't care about Aaron being "raised by another."

it would be funny if they just completely forgot about Claire on the island in the finale, just like the characters have.

^^^^btw this is why i think she might end up being the new MiB

jack/claire are SIBLINGS and one is BORING AND GOOD and the other is CRAZY AND BAD BUT W/LEGIT GRUDGE

good one

true indeed

As far as I can tell, Claire has been a 100% pointless presence this series. Can't blame them for forgetting about her.

Xpost oh god Claire turning into Smokey would just about be the lamest thing ever. I wouldn't be able to take her seriously as a threat even if she turned into a billowing cloud of black smoke and smashed me repatedly against a tree.