DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

"We will be strong in defence of freedom. The Government believes that the British state has become too authoritarian, and that over the past decade it has abused and eroded fundamental human freedoms and historic civil liberties. We need to restore the rights of individuals in the face of encroaching state power, in keeping with Britain’s tradition of freedom and fairness."

lol at reading the coalition's propaganda document and thinking "fuck yeah".

basically most of the section on civil liberties is awesome. let's see if they deliver on it.

Or let's see if the first thing they do is give more power to the police and stop you drinking lat at night?

Drinking "lattes at night" that should have said, obviously.

... and fix the House of Commons and House of Lords so you can't get rid of them (even though no-one voted for them) and muzzle any backbench dissent

nanny state sez no caffeine b4 beddybyes

nanny state otm tbf

way to pretend any of the things you're mentioning are even in the same league as the erosion of civil liberties under labour guys.

Fixing parliament isn't a biggie to you?

Hmm, let's think about which geniuses introduced the Criminal Justice Bill...

Fixing parliament isn't a biggie to you?

the 55% thing is bullshit but it doesn't really rate up there with being able to arrest people and detain them for a month without any justification.

the civil liberties infractions of labour were a disgrace and all the more for the needlessness and expense, i still hate that succession of home secretaries more than any of the nu tory shits

cancelling things like id cards is great but it will be more telling to see what theresa may does about that autistic hacker whose extradition has been postponed, ie where there is an adversary to withstand (in this instance american prosecutors/political pressure)

the nonreciprocal extradition treaty w/ america was possibly the single most venal and disgraceful (if rather minor) shit that the last govt did

We'll see what happens when the Chief Constables start bleating

I'm certain the Lib Dems are in favour of civil liberties, but past experience with Tory governments leads me to be wary of them on that score

Hmm, let's think about which geniuses introduced the Criminal Justice Bill...

― Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:34 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

tbrr both parties have been equally authoritarian over the last 40-odd years

(had to research the 'sus' laws &c the other day and labour did not come out smelling of anything nice.)

Correction: past experience with governments leads me to be wary on that score

Hmm, let's think about which geniuses introduced the Criminal Justice Bill...

as opposed to the geniuses who made the definition of a "rave" that can be dispersed by the police a gathering of 20 people as opposed to 100 as set out in the Criminal Justice Bill.

did they keep the part about "repetitive beats"?

They amended it to "anything Gier wouldn't like"

Are the LibCons repealing the Criminal Justice Bill?

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The Coalition: Our Programme For Government

2.4.1 For example, when you take Conservative plans to strengthen families and encourage social responsibility, and add to them the Liberal Democrat passion for protecting our civil liberties and stopping the relentless incursion of the state into the lives of individuals, you create a Big Society matched by big citizens.

I feel like I'm about to cry

No room for big girls' blouses.

Not only are there no concrete plans to tackle the obesity problem, they actively seem to be encouraging it

2.4.1 For example, when you take Conservative plans to strengthen families and encourage social responsibility, and add to them the Liberal Democrat passion for protecting our civil liberties and stopping the relentless incursion of the state into the lives of individuals

Throw in a handful of tarragon, and you've got a big bowl of fragrant bullshit!

The plan is, make the majority thin, lean, fit.

Then the leftover fatties can be in CHARGE!!

xpost Hey, and should the Conservatives earn a majority after the next election, they may well make aNOTHER coalition govt, it was so good last time!

Watch for Lynne Featherstone to become agitated about simple things that trigger obesity, like certain food ingredients and bovine growth hormone, for example. I don't know if they will get a bill through, but she seemed like she was planning a shot at it.

Lynne Featherweight can try all she likes but the Coalition wants Big Citizens, Big Big Big Big Big Big Big

a Big Society matched by big citizens.

this is just

Every time I read any of this "Big Society" thing I think of "Fourth Sector Pathfinder Initiative" except we've got Big People doing Big Things instead of Ordinary People doing Extraordinary Things.

Anyway, when and how do I get to take over my kids' school?

this is just

...exactly how Cameron talks ALL the time

Undermined slightly by the fact that most Britons are receiving Big Society news with an apt BFD.

Big Friendly Dave?

A warning for Benefits scroungers:

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a Big Society matched by big citizens.
a Big Society matched by big citizens.
a Big Society matched by big citizens.

not sure i'll ever get over this

RIP The Little Guy, you're not part of the Big Plan

ha!

Reminds, also, of Lynne Franks types clapping hands in the office and saying things to people half their age such as BIG RESPECT; 30 seconds later this idiotic woman has invariably done something disrespectful or slighting to our little fashion kids whose strangling hands must be itchy by now.

just some bigoted children

Conservative plans to strengthen families and encourage social responsibility, and add to them the Liberal Democrat passion for protecting our civil liberties and stopping the relentless incursion of the state into the lives of individuals

= Vigilante gangs.

Big Bigots (xp)

I think it's something to do with getting rid of HIPs - the red tape surrounding selling your house.... So basically we're back at a situation where every single buyer has to get their own searches etc done for each property, well done everybody.

Yeah, I don't really understand this. I don't know much about it, because I've never had to get one, but I thought the idea of the HIPs was that the vendor had to get the survey done on the property (and provide other information) rather than each potential buyer. Which superficially seems like a good idea - if you're selling a house and buying a house, you've still got to get a survey done, it's just on your own house rather than the one you're buying, so it's not like your costs have significantly risen. And it should mean that people don't waste money getting surveys done on places they end up not buying. So I would have thought the only people who objected to it were surveyors, because it meant less work for them.

But then I saw them talking about this on Breakfast News (or whatever it's called) the other day and they said it had been introduced to stop gazumping, but wasn't very effective. They didn't actually explain this so I'm none the wiser.

Think it was supposed to stop gazumping because there would be less time available for other buyers to make offers while the original buyers were getting searches and whatnot done.

HIPs were bad news for property developers too (hello Kirsty!) because they ate into their profits.

i have heard why the hips were A Bad Thing, but can't remember. one reason was undue and unprecedented powers of access to private property by the g-men, shocker. all to do with erosion of concept of freehold.

HIPs were bad news for property developers

Ergo a good thing

If Kirsty Allsop buys a house and turns it into five flats, she then has to pay for 5 HIPs, boo hoo.

there was s.thing about how no 1 would trust a HIP since they were paid for by the seller. and in the case of property developers, who would be awarding large contracts to HIP-providers, well, you can see how that lack of trust might arise nahmean.

you create a Big Society matched by big citizens

Tagline for Little Big Planet 37: Big Friendly Dave's Tarragon Island

(sorry for being late to the horror)

I heard something about how the Labour government (remember them?) had watered down their original proposals for HIPs, no doubt after boohooing from Kirsty + her pals, and were left with something that didn't please anyone particularly. Now a lot of people are saying the HIPs were a good idea, esp. as originally proposed.