Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

it's just a line of chalk on a wall in a cave

(I mean, recall that Widmore created an ENTIRE FAKE DECOY AIRPLANE OF CORPSES, alienated his daughter, and so on, to get the island back, and there was that whole "you broke the rules" thing with Ben, right? But now, it's like none of that ever happened.) Nothing that was key in the early seasons — the origins of the Dharma initiative, that devastating death-in-childbirth issue, the themes of rebuilding a diverse society — is even in play.

The fact that Widmore's motives are now reduced to "Jacob convinced me to drop everything and kill Smokey." It's not the biggest deal, but it's another factor in the shriveling of everything ambiguous to the framing device of good versus evil. (I mean, recall that Widmore created an ENTIRE FAKE DECOY AIRPLANE OF CORPSES, alienated his daughter, and so on, to get the island back, and there was that whole "you broke the rules" thing with Ben, right? But now, it's like none of that ever happened.

Nah I still think there's a Widmore long-game being played here with the alt-timeline concert at the end of it, whatever happens there I've no idea. It kinda needs Desmond and Widmore to meet up in the past though.

It seems pretty established that whoever's died in the original timeline can live, conscious of what's happened on the island, in the alt. So perhaps they can make us all happy and finally kill Kate on the island.

Nothing that was key in the early seasons — the origins of the Dharma initiative

Does that even matter any more? They were idiot scientists experimenting with weird shit the island was doing. They devoted most of last season to it. Aside from whatever happened after the bomb, what more do we really need to know?

that devastating death-in-childbirth issue

Not that interested in this but it'd be good to at least show they care.

the themes of rebuilding a diverse society

Yawn.

also, i thought smokey said he could only leave if he had all the candidates with him? i've forgotten. but evidently that was a lie, because he caused their deaths and destroyed the submarine.

n e ways, jacob's death* made it possible for him to do what he wanted to do.

did he really just want to destroy the island all along?

*it's got to the point where we just allow ghosts to exist in the lostverse

Fuck this show's shitty ending.

There's two and a half hours left to play and they usually throw a massive curveball right at the end of each series. There's no way we know all they're going to let us know, it's not just going to be "oooh good vs evil, Jack loves Kate" until the end.

He told the candidates that they had to be with him, but that was just to get them all in one place so they could be easily killed. No candidates means no trouble leaving the island/destroying the island (or whatever his plans are).

hes the smoke monster. he's indestructible. why not just kill them!?

He's been there for a thousand years. He's probably tired.

It kinda needs Desmond and Widmore to meet up in the past though.

he works for widmore.

I mean 1977 or before.

that could happen

it'd be a good pre-creds sequence

too much to get head round

The fact that Widmore's motives are now reduced to "Jacob convinced me to drop everything and kill Smokey." It's not the biggest deal, but it's another factor in the shriveling of everything ambiguous to the framing device of good versus evil. (I mean, recall that Widmore created an ENTIRE FAKE DECOY AIRPLANE OF CORPSES, alienated his daughter, and so on, to get the island back, and there was that whole "you broke the rules" thing with Ben, right? But now, it's like none of that ever happened.

This doesn't make any sense to me. Jacob convinced Widmore to "drop everything" (his quest to regain control of the island) so that he could...come back to the island? Wouldn't Jacob showing up and saying "I need you" be Widmore's wet dream? Now he doesn't have to go to all sorts of trouble to find the island again because Jacob removed his exile status. If this show has been about anything at all it's been about redemption.

The thing that bothered me about the Widmore scene was that his motives were kept ambiguous all season for the sake of ambiguity. There was the clue early on when Jacob told Hurley that someone was coming to the island and he needed to help them find it--and then Widmore showed up a bit later--but it would have been more satisfying if we'd seen Jacob visiting Widmore like he did with Ilana.

I mean Widmore was never battling against Jacob or anything. Ben & the Others vs. Widmore was more like a holy war, with two sects fighting it out over doctrine and shit while an uninterested god sat on the sidelines.

yeah ::INAUDIBLE WHISPERING:: was a pretty shameless device even by Lost's standards.

There's two and a half hours left to play and they usually throw a massive curveball right at the end of each series. There's no way we know all they're going to let us know, it's not just going to be "oooh good vs evil, Jack loves Kate" until the end.

― Matt DC, Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:26 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i still feel this way, too, they usually save some pretty interesting stuff for the season finale and had to have for this one in particular. i'm still optimistic that they had one amazing episode ready for a while and just ended up filling time with a lot of the rest of the season to set it up.

Also Widmore knows where things are going in the alt-timeline as well, and as far as we know there's no Jacob there. Unless it's Desmond.

Actually it might be Eloise who's the driving force in the alt, I'm just assuming they're a double-act.

Eloise certainly knows but i don't think Widmore's showed much inside knowledge so far

Even alt-Eloise would have known all about Jack, Sayid and the hydrogen bomb though. That might be where the reveal's coming from.

yeah ::INAUDIBLE WHISPERING:: was a pretty shameless device even by Lost's standards.

but "Luckily he had already told me what I needed to know!"

googling 'loser' via his Lighthouse coconut internet telescope

(This was not given nearly enough credit for being hilarious)

i agree

my biggest problem is not that they aren't answering fundamental "old" questions about the show. my problem is that the story they are telling does not make any sense whatsoever--especially the motivations of any of the surrounding main players of the story (apart from the candidates, who have been unwitting idiots for six seasons).

kept thinking the finale was on tuesday, idiot me. apparently SkyOne might be showing it v early Monday morning in the UK??

maybe the only way to defeat smokey is to be completely nonsensical in your actions and motivations

it's like some kind of idiot-savant thing (minus the savant part, possibly)

In the UK, Sky1 will simulcast the Lost finale with the US at 5am on Monday morning!:

http://sky1.sky.com/lost-sky1-to-simulcast-the-lost-finale-in-the-uk

hes the smoke monster. he's indestructible. why not just kill them!?

he can't kill em, they can only kill each other

if Sawyer hadn't pulled the wires on the submarine bomb Jack would have been "right" and the bomb would have fizzled like in Jack's scene with Alpert

I think

so the finale starts at 7/6c. Do we have any idea when the finale proper is going to start? I assume there's going to be at least one hour of "series recap" with commentary from the cast and crew before the new stuff starts?

I don't know, tbh. Immediately following the episode, Jimmy Kimmel is hosting an aftershow with all the cast, creators, etc. and those alternate endings. I'm assuming it's an all night thing (like, from 7 to 11).

I live in the ol' CST, and this is how it goes:

6-8 - Recap show
8-10:30 - Finale
10:30-11:05 - Local News
11:05-12:05 - Kimmel

Do any brooklyn ppl know somewhere to watch the finale other than Knitting Factory BK? It seems no one we know actually has TV channels and everyone's been on Hulu this whole time.

I'm having the same problem, although I'm on the West Coast so should be able to get it by the time it would be shown here. Maybe. Considering whether to invite myself over to a non-Lost-watcher's house for the evening and make them watch it or whether that's too rude and I'd rather just watch it on my own with my o/h.

btw link to Vozzek, not read yet:
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/things-i-noticed-what-they-died-for-by.html

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Things I noticed: Widmore pours himself a glass of water then Ben asks "Water you doing here".

"Lettuce begin this important piece of exposition"

xp HA! Me, too! I thought I just had water on the brain (er) because I was thinking, "How does the plumbing still work? Is it a good idea to drink water from those pipes? How dusty is that glass? How ironic if Widmore lives this long only to die of girardia!" and must have imagined it.

Also it takes Zoe all of 40 seconds to get to the outriggers and radio Widmore, who tells her to 'get back as soon as you can'. Then after she gets back they spend about 5 mins talking about walkie talkies.

Ben shooting Widmore should really result in Ben dying/sacrificing himself too

Ditto for Ben killing Jacob, really.

thought this ep was okay, relatively at least.

anyone else seeing locke walking again in the alt having some monumental "he can let go" smokey is destroyed significance in the real one? feels like the kind of dumb shit they'll do.

there are so many cringeworthy lines of dialogue now it's hardly worth mentioning except to point out how lazy the writing has got. eg jacob explains the entire reason he brought them all to the island in 2/3 mins...and sawyer says "why did your mistake have to bring me to this goddamn rock?"

it's like a videogame where one character is like "stubborn angry dude" another is "sensitive love interest" etc, and after big weighty dialogues they each chip in with one liners.

what's he supposed to say? "I'ma gonna kill you, smokles. But first, I gotta listen to more Iggy and cry some more"

actually, maybe Sawyer ought to have asked Jacob to clear up the rules re: Smokey killing the candidates directly instead of asking Jack, but that would prompt the story to give up some info the writers don't want to reveal yet?

they will never discuss anything regarding the rules

he could have asked him about a zillion questions.

can't believe we're basically not going to find out in any way whatsoever what smoke monster is.

not that I'm thrilled about the light or the Smokey origin story as is, but I don't really know what else you were expecting. something super literal or hard-sciencey like it's the smoke from some burning body come to life or a Wizard of Oz style illusion/smokescreen (no pun intended)? I mean we can bitch about the cheesy 'magic' explanations but what non-mystical backstory for a giant smoke monster could there be?

The ticking clock noises suggest biomechanical alien.

something at all is all i was expecting, like what is he or why does he do what he does, it's not even clear why he kills people or why he would be evil