Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

4. If the cliffhanger thing means excitement is always killed, why was everyone on this thread (me included) acting like a junkie denied their fix all week?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I hoped, because it was the series finale, they might have dispensed with this lame "solve it in 10 seconds" thing and actually done something exciting with it for once (see hope upthread that it was going to be David Morrissey and that him and Tennant would be doing Christmas as a "Two Doctors" kind of thing). The fact that it was yawn yawn same old same old was kind of par for the course, and a crushing disappointment to me that they didn't take an opportunity to dispense with the formula. Torchwood killed off two major characters at the end of their last series with little fanfare, and it would have been great if Doctor Who had had the balls to do the same.

Frankly, I don't care how many other people noticed this although almost all of fandom did, oh no, wait, Rusty's done a real life handwave and decided they're not fans. So do fans count or not? If so, why bollocks up something simple? If not, why throw in references to the First Doctor's descriptions of Gallifrey? Or SPACE CRABS? You can't have it both ways.

It's pretty obvious RTD isn't talking about ALL OLD-SKOOL FANS or even all old-skool fans on the internet when he gets all 'lol mingmongs'. One of the things I like about the show is the way it simultaneously panders to and trolls different sections of the original fanbase.

Davros: 'You are the destroyer of worlds!!'

THE DOCTOR = BOB

this is actually the 2nd part of the name of my cat

-- rrrobyn, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 01:30 (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Argh sorry, Bob is the defiler of worlds.

3. I can't believe people are upset about the state of human/Time Lord hybrid genitals, and that they think they have convincing arguments about why said genitals would or would not be there

also that love = sexual intercourse

One of the things I like about the show is the way it simultaneously panders to and trolls different sections of the original fanbase.

-- Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 10:07 (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Absolutely otm. I LOVE watching the more desperate fannies get all worked up and cry and threaten to never ever ever ever ever ever watch again only to whinge about exactly the same things a week later.

It's ironic that the talk has turned to genitals, since RTD was on record in the Guardian yesterday saying that he'd never introduce a woman doctor for the reason that parents would have to talk about genital swapping with their kids.

Perhaps he should introduce a male doctor with a outie belly button first to ease them into the concept.

Is a pregnant David Tennant the logical extension of nu-Who?

under RTD, yes

Funny that he's prissy about that, but was perfectly OK with sentient paving slabs giving blow jobs.

ysi?

Check out 'Love and Monsters' Tracer...

Torchwood killed off two major characters at the end of their last series with little fanfare, and it would have been great if Doctor Who had had the balls to do the same.

Yeah, but Torchwood is (allegedly) an adult show.

What's so great about killing people off anyway? What happened to Donna was much more depressing than a 'heroic death' (or otherwise would've been).

I don't necessarily mean the killing specifically, just the doing-something-unexpected. They managed to blindside most people at the end of the first nu-Who series by introducing David Tennant a whole episode earlier than expected (Eccleston had been expected to do the Christmas ep), don't see why they couldn't have done something similar, rather than this whole load of soapy predictable nonsense with extra cheese on top.

Bookies stopped taking bets on D Morrissey being the new Doctor before the finale, with some people betting ££££ on it satisfying their suspicions. Glad that was all rong, even if the way the regeneration was thwarted was a bit shit.

I was pretty sure Tennant wasn't going to properly regenerate mostly because RTD just didn't give him enough of a final flourish in The Stolen Earth.

I was pretty sure Tennant wasn't going to properly regenerate mostly because of all the spoilers indicating otherwise.

I was thinking the 'threefold man' thing might mean the last ep would be a Three Doctors scenario featuring 9, 10 and 11.

I was pretty sure he wasn't going to regenerate because the way he got winged by that Dalek death-ray was so rubbish. "Rose! Aii I have been shotted!"

I knew deep down that it would be a cheap fake-out.

German Daleks over Youtube. Still funny.

whoa this thread. In retrospect, this last weekend was the clearly the worst time for me to go off for the weekend to a place with no web access/cable channels because i missed a) this and b) apparently, THE wimbledon final of the century. or something. (Have caught up with a, still upset about missing b.)

Loved a lot of this and OMG HATED a lot of it too. which is pretty much how I feel every nu-Who season finale ever, hooray!

I knew there was going to be a lot of cringe-y Rose/Doctor moments (come on, we all did) and I'm not even completely against the idea of the Doctor being in love with Rose, but that resolution *still* turned out to be ten times more awful than I expected it to be. one googly-eyed Doctor is more than enough, thanks.

Otherwise, frankly I thought Tennant was amazing in this episode - possibly his best "I bear 900 years of loneliness and repressed rage" performance. and even with so many things happening all at once, he just seems to carry the show so effortlessly, and I think only Catherine Tate so far has managed to match his energy.

Obvs love love Donna and her ending was unexpectedly bleak and mean and moving - I don't even know if it was brave or just completely horrible of RTD to do that to her character. it was pretty upsetting anyway, after the fun Doctor-Donna bits earlier.

'That button there!'

Also, re the whole fear of Time Lord genitals, the Doctor has wound up in Earth hospitals and the like on several occasions, and people were disturbed by the whole two hearts/odd blood thing, but nobody ever mentioned a lack of thing.

Tennant has been consistently brilliant for two seasons now, even when given a dead dog of a script to work with.

I'd be interested to see how he's going to play Hamlet, but probably not enough to actually pay money.

and donna just said "you're naked" while averting eyes. not "and WHAT the HELL are THOSE"

he had a toy Churchills insurance dog placed there hence the "OHHH YES"

there must be a david ten-inch joke somewhere here.

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I am so looking forward to the Sarah Jane Adventures now.

Or which returning characters from 'Classic' Who are in S2 of the Sarah Jane Adventures until it's announced (I think it could well be the Series wind-down NEWS story).

-- aldo, Monday, 7 July 2008 09:56 (2 days ago)

ME NOT BEING SPOILERY.

That is respectful, especially since we don't talk about that show in this thread!

That said, is SJA actually worth it? I was pretty turned off by the pilot episode, did the kids get less annoying/the show became more tolerable for adult viewers?

Oops, sorry. Didn't mean to be spoilery -- I thought spoilers were mostly plot-related.

I like the Sarah Jane Adventures more than Torchwood, but I'm immature.

Like Torchwood, SJA gets really good after a dodgy start. "Warriors of Kudlak" is a bit hokey and the first Slitheen story could be Chucklevision in places, but "Eye of the Gorgon", "Whatever Happened To Sarah Jane" and "The Lost Boy" are really solid. Definitely worth t0rr3nting, at least.

In terms of 'tolerable for adults' it's obviously a kids' show and never really stops being one, so don't expect anything edgy. There's an awkward teen kiss that's about as raunchy as it gets, but the OOOH MUM thing that Rusty tries to do in the main series works better when it's actual ttenagers doing it. That said, Whatever Happened... did Turn Left before Turn Left, and arguably does it better (but with much, much less spent on it).

Watched the Sarah Jane pilot a couple of nights ago, and I thought it was loads of fun! So I'm pretty excited about the rest of it.

Still haven't watched Torchwood past S1E2. I should get around to that too, at some point.

AND WITH JANE MUTHERFUCKING ASHER as alterna-sj. woo+

xpost. that was extra "Whatever happened to Sarah Jane" info

Well, this dropped off the new answers page fast.

Nu Who can be quite exhausting to talk about.

Also, y'know, it's finished now.

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As mentioned above, the Brigadier will be back for a two-parter in SJA. The latest news update mentions which ep(s) and the villian(s).

Watching Journey's End again just now. It's a bit more entertaining on second viewing now since I got all my "OH FUCK OFF" stuff out of the way the first time round. Might have to turn over before emo Rose love story ending though. Also the music was dreadful.

I love that the world is so organised that someone can rig up a massive celebratory firework display while the earth is being towed through space, and that BBC News 24 remains on air. Oh wait, no, I don't love it at all. It's shite.

Oh man, how many crazy alternative realities/lives/existences did poor Donna have to live anyway? I mean she had all this crazy, painful shit that was practically like memory wipes anyway (library database, 'turn left') and then she gets it all wiped and goes back to being ebullient sassy nobody temp. The whole thing started to really freak me out, esp. the two eps before the final. Those are the kinds of stories that have freaked me out all my life, tho.

Did anyone end up dying? I forget.

Also:

RTD was on record in the Guardian yesterday saying that he'd never introduce a woman doctor for the reason that parents would have to talk about genital swapping with their kids.

What the effing eff?

Quite a few people were vapourised and presumably the Daleks did a fair bit of exterminating when they were ruling the earth.

EXTERMENIEREN!

Russell T. Davies has revealed his co-writers for the forthcoming Doctor Who specials in 2009.

"I can confirm that after Christmas 2008 there are a total of four more specials to come before the Steven Moffat era begins in 2010," Davies told Doctor Who Magazine. "Two of next year's four will be written by me, One will be written by me and Gareth Roberts and one will be co-written by me and Phil Ford."

Roberts has previously written episodes 'The Shakespeare Code' and 'The Unicorn And The Wasp' for Doctor Who, in addition to co-writing 'Invasion Of The Bane' with Davies for The Sarah Jane Adventures.

Ford has never scripted an episode of Doctor Who before, but is responsible for 'The Eye Of The Gorgon' and 'The Lost Boy' for Sarah Jane and 'Something Borrowed' for Torchwood.

also Agyeman isn't doin Torchwood

Is Mickey joining Captain Jack?

I don't know where else to ask this: If I've seen naught else but new Who, is it ok if I watched "City of Death" straight away?

Go for it. It doesn't really rely on any ongoing plotlines, and it's lots of fun.