don;t even read it when it's free so
― long time listener, first time balla (history mayne), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 14:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Interesting debate yesterday - it'll be on the radio later - but if you can't listen there's some info here.http://www.beehivecity.com/newspapers/alan-rusbriger-vs-john-witherow-on-the-future-of-newspapers191805/
John Witherow said that The Times and The Sunday Times would “easily” lose 90 per cent of its online audience when the two titles went behind the online £2 a week ‘paywall’ next month. A massive fall.Alan Rusbridger conceded that if the Times/Sunday Times made a roaring success of the pay wall his newspapers would eventually have to follow suit. A surprising concession.
I don't think that's very surprising, but then I don't think the paywall will be a roaring success either.
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 08:22 (fourteen years ago) link
One good effect of paywall at the Times: I can't imagine their BTL commenters from the US state of Dumbfuckistan would pay for access.
― cleggaeton (suzy), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 08:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i think the paywall stuff is going to be a disaster across the board
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 09:52 (fourteen years ago) link
It's only worth having a paywall if you have content that people are willing to pay for - ie paywalls work perfectly well in B2B and financial media but will be a disaster in consumer newspapers. The FT's paywall works because everyone expenses it, who'd do that for the Times?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 09:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Read somewhere that one possibility was to bundle it for a nominal-ish fee with Sky subscription, but despite the tentacly nature of Rupert Moloch's empire, he perhaps wdn't want to yoke two parts of it that closely.
Yes, tentacly.
― GamalielRatsey, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:04 (fourteen years ago) link
When I first got internet access in '96 various papers (p. sure the Times was one) had pay-only online access. It didn't do very well and news.bbc and other free online news sites took off so they took down the pay wall. Admittedly internet availability and newspaper profit margins are very different now, but surprised that I haven't seen any mention of it previously being paywalled.
To be honest I was surprised that the Guardian changed from free content + paywalled crossword to having everything free. I could see the crossword being carrot enough for a certain small percentage of readers, and I don't know how else they'd get more people to pay. (How much money do they make off the "ring this number to order a book tangentially mentioned in this piece" thing? Enough to subsidise anything?)
― xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:10 (fourteen years ago) link
From the looks of Ned's link above, SoulMates brings in a fair wodge, and presumably a few other things (do they still have that dvd rental thing), as clickthrough sites. Still not really convinced by either model tbh, in terms of long-term sustainability. Rusbridger makes his case here, and while I agree with his negative comments about paywalls, I'm not convinced by his positive comments about ad revenue.
― GamalielRatsey, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 10:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Still don't see how you can buy the paper and read the website without paying twice...
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Get a feeling that's part of the dastardly plan, though - at least in the short term.
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link
New Times site live at www.thetimes.co.uk now. Like it a lot; v clean. Don't see me paying for it, mind.
― stet, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Love the fact that everything except the homepage - even the blogs - is behind the paywall.
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 06:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Georgia for the main text doesn't look great. But other than that the design looks really good - much better than the Guardian redesign.
― GamalielRatsey, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 08:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Paywall still has a handy side-door where you can just reach over and flip the latch at timesonline.co.uk. James Murdoch probably nagging his dad to get it fixed right now.
― ketchup scam (useless chamber), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 08:47 (thirteen years ago) link
It's free (with registration) for a month I think, while the main times site is still running, then the paywall goes up.
― GamalielRatsey, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 08:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Georgia for the main text doesn't look great.
Strongly disagree as I am a huge Georgia stan.
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 09:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I love Georgia as a general font for when I'm writing, but not really for this somehow. It's a bit skeletal looking to my eye.
― GamalielRatsey, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 09:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, in general it's gorgeous. There's something very calming about it, very balanced. Maybe the best newspaper front page on the web?
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
In a world where the content is irrelevant
― every time i pull a j/k off the shelf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I also like how prominent the leader articles are. More newspaper sites should do that.
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 09:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Heh the numbers in the bottom-left "Most Read" box need a bit of alignment...
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Love Georgia also. Some daft use of Flash, including the graphic above the leaders.
― stet, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 09:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Ohhhh the hands on the clock move??!
That is pretty cool, though you could do that with SVG...
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 09:54 (thirteen years ago) link
'If paywall doesn't work I'm in the shit', admits News Int's commercial chief
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
The owner of the Daily Express and Daily Star has indicated that he wants to buy the Sun newspaper.Richard Desmond told the BBC he had £1bn to spend and that he was keen to add to his stable of titles which includes the celebrity magazine OK!He said he would run the Sun, which is Britain's biggest-selling newspaper, in a manner that was "more efficient in today's market place".
Richard Desmond told the BBC he had £1bn to spend and that he was keen to add to his stable of titles which includes the celebrity magazine OK!
He said he would run the Sun, which is Britain's biggest-selling newspaper, in a manner that was "more efficient in today's market place".
― James Mitchell, Friday, 4 June 2010 08:46 (thirteen years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y9R7_4I-yLk/SmrFTEM_lYI/AAAAAAAAAK8/IOwrylaQtVU/s320/Dinosaur+Jr.jpg
― Mark G, Friday, 4 June 2010 09:06 (thirteen years ago) link
So not gonna happen. I can't see Murdoch selling The Sun.
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 June 2010 09:12 (thirteen years ago) link
given that the daily star is a clone of the sun - the last redesign brief copied all their fonts with, i think, the hope that people would buy the star by mistake - it wouldn't make sense for desmond either: he'd have to merge them. but yeah, i assume he's just winding up the murdochs.
― joe, Friday, 4 June 2010 09:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Attention sub-editors
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 June 2010 10:25 (thirteen years ago) link
massive lol
― some men enjoy the feeling of being owned (acoleuthic), Friday, 4 June 2010 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link
It's on Press Gazette as well. Genuine production howler.
― Matt DC, Friday, 4 June 2010 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Dewey Defeats headghgh
― real eyes realize real truffle fries (dyao), Friday, 4 June 2010 10:31 (thirteen years ago) link
headline headghgh in topless bar
― joe, Friday, 4 June 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
"We Wgfgfgfg"
(It'll be on Have I got News for you, doubtless)
― Mark G, Friday, 4 June 2010 10:36 (thirteen years ago) link
ah: "The error comes as journalists across Johnston Press mull group-wide strike action in protest against staffing levels and the introduction of the Atex production system.
"Press Gazette understands that Atex, which allows reporters to input stories directly on to page layouts, has been introduced across Johnston Press titles in the south of England."
― joe, Friday, 4 June 2010 10:38 (thirteen years ago) link
http://editorial.jpress.co.uk/Includes/Images/BTJ/front-bed22.gif
fwiw
― nakhchivan, Friday, 4 June 2010 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link
who do you believe? the bedford time and citizen's website or your own lying eyes?
― joe, Friday, 4 June 2010 10:45 (thirteen years ago) link
http://imgur.com/xIC0G.png
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:17 (thirteen years ago) link
News Sharter?
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:20 (thirteen years ago) link
*creature harbours grudge against blodes
― WHEN CROWS GO BAD (suzy), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link
LOLLLLLL, blondes
"News Shower" is very Morris-esque.
― I'm being a smartass here, but in a fun way (NotEnough), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:23 (thirteen years ago) link
It's actually the News Shopper, ahem, paper of record in Lewisham & Catford.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Have you noticed issues with crows?
― WHEN CROWS GO BAD (suzy), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link
It's only ever guns, crows and crack these days.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't forget the foxes. Animals be fighting back.
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Crow update: http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/8208903.CATFORD__Elderly_dancer_reveals_crow_attack_horror/
― Will toss in some pants too! (useless chamber), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:47 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/resources/images/1323867/
keen dancer and former actress, you say
― I wonder if heaven got a Netto (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:50 (thirteen years ago) link
she's no tipi hedren
― Don't look at the finger (Ste), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:51 (thirteen years ago) link
She's Edna Lunt
― Wenlock & Mandelson (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 10:53 (thirteen years ago) link