DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

yeah sure rafa out lol carragher paul robinson is a health risk and lol terry k i'm done

He said: "The numbers mean that it would be impossible, even if every opposition MP united against this coalition, for the house to express its lack of confidence in it.

This is always true.

― caek, Thursday, 13 May 2010 16:29 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

What's also true is that the coalition could collapse and LibDem-Lab-DUP-SNP-Green-SDLP-PC-SfuckingF-whoever I've missed from the Big Rainbow still couldn't vote to dissolve parliament without a couple of dozen Tory defectors from a *minority* party.

Sure.

Common sense says that enough Tories would realise governing in minority was kinda fuckin pointless and would do the right thing in those circumstances - meaning that, like 5 year fixed terms, it's a solution to something that doesn't need fixed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/may/13/55-per-cent-coalition-rule

Guardian finally getting round to raising this 55% thing. I'm sure the rest of the media won't cover it though.

Report on C4 news speaks of 55% as perhaps 'the first casualty' in the coalition agreement.

We'll see..

From the comments on that Guardian story:

Parliament has no right, priviledge or power to dissolve itself. That prerogative rests with the Crown alone.

The Crown invites a Member, who commands the loyalty of the largest number of Members, to be Prime Minister. The Prime Minister in the time being appoints the Crown's Ministers. When a Prime Minister chooses to resign he so does, there is nothing that the House can do to frustrate his action. It may be that he resigns on health grounds, or because he is fed up with the job or because he has lost the confidence of the House. This latter means that the Members have given him notice that they will, in future, vote against all legislation that he proposes. This can be achieved by the House passing a vote of no-confidence in him and his government. In these circumstances he resigns, there being no point in carrying on in Office. It maybe that, when he resigns he can advise the Sovereign that another Member commands a majority of the House and could be invited to form a Government. It may be that he cannot so advise and must therefore request the dissolution of Parliament and the election of a new one.

It is difficult to see what value the Losers' Coalition Memorandum of Understanding brings. It merely expresses the intention to propose a Motion that the Parliament shall run for a full five years and that a Motion for Dissolution with less that 55% support cannot be allowed to succeed. But, hey, the House cannot dissolve Parliament, only the Queen can do that, and then only on the advice of her Prime Minister.

Face it, Cameron will remain free to ditch the Liberals when ever he chooses. What are they going to do about it when he does? Whine about it to the Voters? Sue the Tories until their eyes fall out? Take it to the European Court?

January 2009

But Robert Goodwill, shadow minister for Leeds, claimed that the cabinet meetings outside of London were "a bit of a gimmick".

He said: "The cost of hosting them given the increased security is something that should be borne by Labour rather than by the taxpayer.

Mr Cameron said he would continue the Labour tradition of holding cabinet meetings in different parts of the UK.

shadow minister for Leeds?

He was Shadow Minister for Roads. Was that first quote in the Guardian perchance?

I like the idea of every Cabinet including a Minister for Leeds.

The rehabilitation of Chris Langham continues.
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they're leading w/ 55 on newsnight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfNATuw1DRs

Ned's photo reminds me a bit of:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/3/11/1236764626916/Brian-Clough-with-the-Lee-002.jpg

Gotta say it was a magnanimous gesture for millionaires David Cameron and Nick Clegg to take a 5 percent pay cut. Good to know they're doing their bit.

think i had 55 more or less right already, also david grosssman sez it was a ~conservative~ priority tho happily they got lib dem lord rentard to flail about in defence of it

amending the constitution just for this one sketchily cribbed together abortion govt.....these cunts have got nerve

The Shadow Minister for Roads AND the Shadow Minister for Leeds. Wonder what he spent more time on?

Nakh, it's not nerve, it's ENTITLEMENT. Cameron's in the door two seconds, under a shaky agreement, and is behaving as if he's got a giant mandate.

A giant what now?

A giant man date

Yeah, it's a gift of a title for the slash that's going around.

Actually I first read that as 'as if he's got a giant manatee' and I was like oh wow...

Gotta say it was a magnanimous gesture for millionaires David Cameron and Nick Clegg to take a 5 percent pay cut. Good to know they're doing their bit.

My first thought was it's some sort of tax dodge.

Oh yes, it would have to be win-win for them to consider it worth doing. A person on £20K is going to be a grand out and will have no way to claw stuff back.

In about three months David Cameron will look like a giant manatee. I call four chins by August bank holiday.

Anyone watching Question Time? Mehdi Hasan laying into the Liberal Democrats and getting some great dirty looks from Simon Hughes. Definitely no slash fiction in their future.

I love the Daily Mirror.

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/May/Week2/15631599.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/May/Week2/15631599.jpg

The "revolting" lead is about the 55% according to BBC News so it's very much otm. "OFFICIAL" lol.

Nakh, it's not nerve, it's ENTITLEMENT. Cameron's in the door two seconds, under a shaky agreement, and is behaving as if he's got a giant mandate.

sure, there's usually something coldly impressive about this sort of arrogation, a glint in the eye or a diminished chutzpah but this could be as stupid as it is presumptuous

that it's tory-driven does show their confidence in being able to sideline the libdems in due course, they won't be able to try for a majority but the libdems are further hamstrung

cameron's wagering that they'll be too fucking pussy to call time on it and will probably be rife with insubordination, but he only needs a small number of libdems to carry legislation and the rest can get tae fuck

the lack of any lib dems in major cabinet positions is a coup, clegg gets deputy pm (a sinecure in this instance) so he won't want any other libdems upstaging him with important jobs and cameron obliges! vince cable will linger about to no purpose then resign with his credibility shattered

there is a sense though that conservative entitlement knows no ends and they'll simply push the lib dems too far, until the humiliation is too great and they'll depose clegg&chums

then 55% may come in to play

Could you take your coat off, love, you don't look ethnic enough
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/media/ALeqM5jQcnBQxp3Y9hTrk2KjyB48P7cjWg?size=l

Nice to see Labour doing their bit to avoid the lol posho stuff you were doing upthread by having a contest likely to be between Oxford graduate David Miliband, Oxford graduate Ed Miliband, Oxford graduate Ed Balls and Cambridge graduate Andy Burnham.

Going to Oxbridge doesn't you make you a posho. Being posh does, obv.

(i.e. yeah fuck those toffs but let's be clear why)

Not much of a fan of Burnham's steez for example but no way does he come from money.

the milis' blood does not exactly run blue yo

Yeah, and it's pointless to pick on not-posh people who've been to Oxbridge. They can at least respond by saying that they totally earned their places.

Gotta say it was a magnanimous gesture for millionaires David Cameron and Nick Clegg to take a 5 percent pay cut. Good to know they're doing their bit.

Surely all of these dudes cockfamers have just received massive pay rises as a result of their shiny new hobag promotions and even if you take 5% off the wage for job, it's still a significant increase for the individual?

Or am i reading this wrong?

i think there is a bigger argument about the nature of the british elite and the labour movement's relationship with it. and the party should have that debate in a way that addresses the real issue, not by nose-thumbing the oxbridge types.

god a year ago i meant to do some primary research on the shared milieu of the labour contenders and the current cabinet 20+ years ago. must get round to it.

how about nose-thumbing the Eton types, is that ok?

not many of them in the labour party iirc, but whatever gets you through the night

Not really comparable though is it?

Or what Suzy said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1278266/COALITION-GOVERNMENT-The-new-politics-More-like-Brokeback-Mountain.html

^^^still got it.

too much fraser nelson on tv lately

He is such an odious little cunt. Genuinely the worst.

worrrrrd

I mean, at least James Delingpole is regarded as a freaky outsider even by Tories. Nelson is right in the centre of the establishment.

Seumas Milne (No new era, 13 May) will no doubt be the first of many pontificating Guardian columnists and leader writers telling us who to choose as the new Labour leader. Given the Guardian's disastrous election, how about minding your own business?

David Wotherspoon

Downholland, West Lancashire

ohh snap