Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

god i wish max were here

"there's a special Light that shines in all men..." blarggh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOVc4TMjHpk

someone needs to explain why CJ is specifically the smoke monster and not just, like, somehow all-knowing or immortal or powerful enough to have killed all those people. seemed to me like the smoke monster was created when MIB went down to the water and the light turned dark.

Egyptians knew about smokey because he's in their hieroglyphs. But this episode seems to have been set post-egypt. So that would mean there'd been a pre-MIB smokey.

That was just some 19th century retro-Egyptian architecture.

My wife says smoke monster predates MIB, but once MIB goes through the rivercave press, the newly-released smokey gets MIB's memories and proceeds wrongly thinking of itself as MIB in a new form.

Like Alan Moore's reboot of Swamp Thing, who thought he was a man turned monster but really was just a monster with a human's memories stuck on.

The good guys dress in black remember that
Just in case we ever face to face and make contact
The title held by me M.I.B.
Means what you think you saw, you did not see
So don't blink be what was there
Is now gone, black suit with the black Ray Ban's on
Walk in shadow move in silence
Guard against extra-terrestrial violence
But yo we ain't on no government list
We straight don't exist, no names and no fingerprints
Saw somethin strange watch your back
Cause you never quite know where the M.I.B.'s is at
Uh ah

? the black + white stones? oh right so it proves that all along your show has had a deep underlying theme of "good vs. bad" not like almost every tv show ever.

― pollos da don (tpp), Thursday, May 13, 2010 6:15 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

actually think not enough shows stick to this simplicity and try to get too clever showing nobody is entirely good/evil. especially shows dealing with myths like heroes, lost, bsg. Maybe that goes back to the writers believing they are character driven shows but being flat out wrong.

I don't think that the black/white thing is as simple as good vs. evil.

one of the island rules is that MIB can only wear black

is only because MIA was already in use

no but over-complicating motivations can reduce their contrasts, especially when motivations change at a whim which Lost is very guilty of. xposts

it all goes back to shitty writing though.

we still don't even know who is good and who is evil! including widmore.

ben's "we're the good guys michael" is so irrelevant at this point

Is there going to be some big reveal with MIB's name or are they just being dicks and making people type 'MIB' and 'Smokey' all the time?

Sidelining Ben completely as a character in this series has been the shittiest thing about it. He should be right in the middle of the action, we should be dubious about his motivations right til the very last episode. Mostly because Locke makes a shit villain.

Actually does Ben even know Widmore's on the island yet? That face-off should at least be fun.

isn't it the point that good/evil have been interchangeable or flexible wrt people's actions? sure hope so

he said nervously

really wish ben had gunned down that useless chick in the woods like flocke told him to.

I did not need to be shown who mom loved more re: jacob and mib. I will gladly accept a simple contrast over lowering them into the pit of emotional crapitude that Jack frolics in. My point is the backbone of the myth can be a simple contrast.

he said nervously

*taxicab printer sound*

I did not need to be shown who mom loved more re: jacob and mib.

yeah and what possible reason could she have for loving one more than the other anyway. i guess boy Jacob was a bit annoying?

pretty horrible to steal someone's kids and then show favoritism

she put emphasis on him being "special" just like locke's mum did

basically the message is that women fuck with your mind

yeah she probably didn't even need a reason. moms are like that :(

Jacob seemed more obedient and less difficult so would've expected him to get more love.

Their bio mom actually reminded me of Young Rousseau.

I thought they might be showing us that the island protector doesn't necessarily get to pick the replacement he/she really wants, but has to settle for the one who the island thinks is "good."

Which makes me think that Hurley might be the new Jacob rather than Jack.

i'm a little more annoyed by this ep in retrospect---mostly because of the timing. like, i'll kinda settle for whatever hokum offered as backstory, but there everything's coming to a head now/alt and they cut away from the action to for an origin story that offers little in the way of details that might affect the ~current~ action.

oh, NOW you're annoyed! stfu!

just because they did it now! wouldn't have bothered me in an earlier season tbh

shoulda been the first ep

well it will be one the series is over and I release my chronologically recut version

once

actually one thing i totally agree with Cuse/Lindelof on is that it's good to have an episode like this as kind of a breather after an episode full of action & significant deaths. for me that's partly because i was so annoyed by how they handled those deaths that it was refreshing to be annoyed by something else, but either way i think it made sense in terms of the rhythm of the season, and for some reason it being two episodes before the finale instead of the penultimate episode also seems appropriate.

Yeah, I def don't mind the idea of this episode. I was pretty excited about it, in fact. It was just handled so artlessly.

i was so annoyed by how they handled those deaths that it was refreshing to be annoyed by something else

lol yes. Agree in principle but it would have been amazing to see this ep earlier on OR have something a bit more mindblowing in this ep - I mean most ppl had already inferred the concrete stuff and everything else was still kinda open to interpretation.

shoulda been the first ep

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:06 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

loooool i can see the headline in variety: ALPHABET CANCELS SHOW MIDWAY THROUGH PREEM

noone's gonna watch the chronological super-edit of the whole series now

they will when I superimpose a picture of goku on top of it

Yeah, I def don't mind the idea of this episode. I was pretty excited about it, in fact. It was just handled so artlessly.

― jaymc, Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:12 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, basically, I mean if somebody had told me beforehand what this episode was about I would have been very excited, but the execution was terrible. I also agree that it should have been placed somewhere in the beginning of the season.

I thought at the very least we'd get some idea of the consequences of MIB leaving the island. (other than it would upset his mother)

i was looking forward to this episode since i first heard about it. so yeah, i'm pissed that they totally dropped the ball on entertainment. lost used to make my jaw drop. and make me say WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!

We used to say WHAAAAAT, now we say HUUUUUUH?

Now I say "I thought 'Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader' was on a different channel, wtf!"

Lost used to make me say Ugh (na-na-na-na)

yeah she probably didn't even need a reason. moms are like that :(

― sonderangerbot, Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:18 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

somebody needs a flashback episode!

I just watched this last night, and so the basis for the whole series has been two asshole kids working out their mommy issues? And a magic light-hole? Oy.

Or basically, dmr otm: I guess in the end I wanted "The Explanation" to be more sci-fi and less fantasy/religious allegory (and the magical island spring to look less Ferngully)

I hope they're both revealed to be dumb superstitious suckers of minimal relevance to what the island really is. Like Ben and Locke already have been.

agree this ep was a huge disappointment. i knew what it was going to focus on and had been looking forward to it for weeks, but it just didn't give any info or reveals. it's like they completely shirked away from explaining their own mythology having built it up painstakingly. i think even if the explanation was fantastical or stupid people would be happier with that than this vague lack of explanation.

the tagline for this ep was "locke's motives are revealed." but they aren't! they aren't at all! he wants to leave the island cos.......why?

Most of season 6, has been like that for me, one disappointment after another. I feel like after 5 years of suspending disbelief, I want at least a little reward. Instead more mystery has been stacked upon more mystery. And all of the reveals have been half assed at best. After last weeks show, I've lost all faith that these guys have had any idea with where or what they were doing with the story. Sure it's been a fun ride, but I'm beginning to feel like the long con is on me. I don't need or want everything explained, but if they are going to explain the mythology then why not actually do it. Last week's episode feel insulting and left me wondering it's led to this instead of wondering where they are going with this.

yeah exactly....like what was the point of that episode? why waste an ep on that backstory if, as is the case, not watching it would make zero diff to your understanding or enjoyment of the show or the characters. i feel like they've fucked around so much this season that they haven't even left themselves the time for decent explanations of anything.

If the last ep served any purpose, it was to vindicate me in my own mind for thinking MiB was a character I want to root for. Now, I hope he kills every last one of these motherfuckers.

yeah, that.

he wants to leave the island cos.......why?

well, because he feels betrayed, his mom lied to him about the outside world, he knows he came from somewhere else, he was tricked into staying, and like it was mentioned upthread he just wants to be able to buy an iPad and have a latte.

iow character driven mushy stuff