Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

I don't know, that interview kinda just makes me sympathize with the writers - a lot. It reminds me of this one time, I was teaching in Shanghai, and I was rewarding students with candy as a disciplinary tool. Like, divide the class into four teams, and whoever behaves the best/answers questions correctly gets some candy at the end of the class. It worked really well like 99% of the time. But one time, I messed up and accidentally gave the wrong team candy. This caused another team to start shouting and eventually, crying (they were 2nd graders). I felt really bad, so I gave the other team candy, the team that should have won. But then the other 2 teams, who didn't win AND didn't get candy, started whining and crying too, presumably because they couldn't understand my horrible broken-Mandarin explanation of what I was doing. So I smiled really wide and said "it's your lucky day - EVERYONE GETS CANDY!" and gave everyone candy, thinking that would satisfy everyone. But then the first group I had given candy to - wrongly - started stomping, crying, screaming, because everyone had gotten candy and no one had really deserved it. It was anarchy, and then the bell rang and I got the fuck out of there. I tried so hard to please everyone, I was giving everyone candy for FREE, and yet everyone was so fucking pissed and crazy.

Like, do you really need to go on a walk to calm down because two writers are like "sheesh we're doing our best, you guys are fucking crazy"?

i read that whole interview looking for outrage and...wtf there are some crazy ppl on this thread, i think i need to not read this anymore, y'all are only going to get worse and more agitated in the next week and a half? have fun and bye

I guess this is normal and I'm just not used to it. I've never been into a tv show enough to follow 1000+ post internet threads about it. People were probably throwing chairs at the end of the last season of Frasier and I just didn't know it

a lot of us have come to post here today with booing in our hearts

People were probably throwing chairs at the end of the last season of Frasier and I just didn't know it

― A lot of you have come here today with booing in your heart (Z S), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:40 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

loving this mental image. "You mean we still don't get to see Maris's face!? ARGHHHHH"

wow, the last 20 minutes of this thread has been hilarious. Good job, everyone!

That thing about the skeletons being 40 years old - I think the point was they were AT LEAST 40 years old, could be more. No idea what happens to skellingtons after bazillions of years.

Oddly, at the start of the episode I thought that Allison Janney was from modern times and could have gotten there by time travelling magic. Not sure why, the way she spoke I guess.

anyway dudes i'm sorry if i'm one of the people hulking out and seeming psycho in this thread. but really, to echo what a couple people have said already, i wouldn't really be bitching about the plot holes and goofy origin stories if last night's episode was good, entertaining, engaging television like the majority of Lost's episodes are. i mean, let's face it, that thing had no replay value, it was a bland info dump that just happened to be full of really stupid info.

^ OTM and I didn't really mind this episode.

Re that interview, are people REALLY moaning that they don't know what MIB's name is? imo that's one of the more minorly classy things about that episode, in that he's not called Jack or John or Aaron or something.

His name is Kevin Marnahan

the mother's name is Deb Tolles

I'm actually writing one of the first books set in the Lost universe, set to be released in August 2010. It's called How Kevin Marnahan Built the Big Statue

I'm not sure if I linked to this blog before. Nominally this guy is reviewing episodes of season 6 of Lost without seeing any prior seasons of the show. I kinda suspect he's faking his ignorance, but it's still kinda funny.
http://neverseenlost.wordpress.com/

From last night's review:
"To no one’s surprise, Jacob grows into a 30 year old man who sews and lives with his mother. He still meets Cecil to play games. During one rousing game of Obvious Metaphor, Cecil throws his knife and it gets stuck to something with magnetism."

xxxxp Yeah, I don't really care what his name is, but it is annoying that D&C still keep trying to push him as being the bad guy in public when that's not even the story being told on the screen. I mean, am I supposed to resent and hate him for killing 815ers and Temple people to get the fuck out of there (presuming he & smokey are the same character)? His story is about 1,000x more sympathetic than Sayid or the Kwons or fucking Lapidus, seeing as how he was deceived about his own identity, held hostage on the island his whole life, and now trapped there for eternity by his dumbshit brother Jacob.

Regarding all of the unanswered questions, though, I think the NYT review of last night's episode probably has it right:

One thing seems clear: There will be a sufficient inventory of unanswered questions after the May 23 season finale to fuel any number of movies, Web series, comic books or Broadway musicals the producers might want to sell in the future.

That hitfix interview is 10000x better than "Oh look, a Chuck E Cheese"

The Jimmy Kimmel show is going to show 3 alternative endings after the season finale of Lost is over. There might be some lost actors in the alt-endings because last night they had this for instance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4veR7DkdvKw

Feb 07, 2007:

LINDELOF: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living — or, I guess, slowly decomposing — proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, ''That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this.''

FWIW, I always assumed it was the black and white stones found with the skeletons that were meant to prove that they knew where the show was going thematically. But then again, don't know why they would draw so much attention to skeletons I had otherwise forgotten about three episodes later when the Locke/Walt backgammon convo accomplishes the very same thing.

Regarding all of the unanswered questions, though, I think the NYT review of last night's episode probably has it right:

One thing seems clear: There will be a sufficient inventory of unanswered questions after the May 23 season finale to fuel any number of movies, Web series, comic books or Broadway musicals the producers might want to sell in the future.

― A lot of you have come here today with booing in your heart (Z S), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:58 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the line the producers have always sold is that they're totally washing their hands of it all after the last episode, but the network/studio own the property and can do whatever they want with it afterwards. i don't think the unresolved plot strands are any kind of shrewd move to set up spinoffs.

however, i will totally buy How Kevin Marnahan Built the Big Statue

You won't regret it, although I will admit in advance that the part where I explain how Kevin Marnahan built the big statue really does raise a lot of other questions about the role that Deb Tolles plays, both at the time of the construction and before

That episode could only have been saved by CJ doing "The Jackyl"

this week's DarkUFO "things i noticed" seems pretty on-point, especially with what was potentially going on the mother's side of the story - think this might have been posted or quoted earlier in the thread

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/05/things-i-noticed-across-sea-by-vozzek69.html

What if the only way for smokey to stop being smokey is for the next island guardian to kill him? So he's actually pushing things forward to get to a conclusion. So really, he wants what Jacob wants, but for different reasons. Jacob just doesn't want someone else to take on the smoke monster's role.

A minute later however, another thought occurred to me: maybe there aren't any rules at all. Maybe Jacob and his brother just think there are rules, and they've been ritualistically following them out of two thousand-year habit. Remember, these are the same children who once believed nothing else existed except for the island. For most of their childhood, their mother's every word was indisputable law.

I actually think a lot of things make a lot more sense if this is actually true. There are times where the rules would appear to have been broken, but no times when anyone was forced to follow the rules except by the assumption that they had to, right?

Yeah, it's part of the unending chains of long cons perpetrated by and to everyone. I mean, you even see Jacob beat his brother to hell twice in this episode, despite that they're supposedly not supposed to be able to harm each other. Though, to throw my nitpick in the ring, i don't think we'll find out exactly why Ben wasn't "allowed" to kill Widmore in season 4, or why there are a set of rules between them, why it was breaking them to kill Alex, and so on.

been thinking about that, and my vote is that ben thinks the candidate rules apply to him, but they dont. ben seems to be "played like a sucker" numero uno on the island tbh.

I was always under the impression that the Linus/Widmore thing was more of a gentlemen's agreement.

Some of the most exaggerated reactions to this episode are the best demonstration on how successful Lost writers have been with their job.
It is interesting to see how much thought, emotion (and obviously a lot of time) people invested in this show.

(Am I wrong or there was similar outrage also after the last episode of The Prisoner?).

episode wasn't thaaat bad. by the end I was actually enjoying it. seemed a shame to end it there.

worst bit was the explanation of how the donkey wheel came to be: is that the only explanation we are going to get for why the island moves through space and time? the island is constantly moving because you need the pendulum to find it but it also moves through space and time when you press the donkey wheel because light and water and a wheel and a big hole. i don't give a shit about the little mysteries or the characters. i want a better answer to this or yes, this will retrospectively change my opinion of the show.

The annoying thing about this ep was that they spent way too much time on their childhoods and nothing on what happened post-Smokey.

Anyway, this stuff is here now and we're stuck with it. So, where is this stream filled with magic light now then? How come no one found it up until now given that it's, well, a stream and everything? My guess is it's where the temple is now but I have no idea.

Also the light can't be that magical given that you can blow it up with a hydrogen bomb and everything seems to be alright.

My guess is it's where the temple is now but I have no idea.

yeah im p sure the temple was built around the magical light vag and it has healing powers (ie for sayid)

That tank they dunked Sayid in was originally built for Baywatch.

Some serious WWII Germany parallels, here, in the Lost fanbase.

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some of Cuselof's comments and reactions in that interview are alarmingly bitter for sure but others I'm cool with. the whole Jack carbon-dating thing was funny.

as for the episode itself, LOTS of eyerolling and i agree it didn't show/explain enough to satisfy but i'm almost certainly unsatisfiable now so ehh. been worse episodes this season i think.

island ghosts not always being smokey confirmed here then. oh good... janney's character is some bs tho - do they expect people not to clamour for her origin just as much as we have jacob's?

would've liked a shot of the smokemonster pouring out of MIB's nose or something. MIB was great in this ep tho right?

yeah that guy -- titus wellver? did i make that up? -- is awesome. shame jacob is so freakin terrible, at the acting.

titus was super intense on deadwood. one of the best characters.

janney's character is some bs tho - do they expect people not to clamour for her origin just as much as we have jacob's?

Why would we need an origin for her? She's just part of a string of protectors who come to the island by accident and become candidates. If anything I'd want to see how this process began, but I don't really want to see that.

Re: that interview. For awhile now the producers have been talking about how they don't want to go the full disclosure route (midiclorians, end of the Matrix trilogy) because they feel that would suck. I'm cool with leaving some stuff mysterious, because for me the show's suggestions have always been more intriguing than the explanations they've presented.

But when they're comparing their show to the Sopranos---I don't remember the Sopranos having any central mystery hanging over its entire run, or running any ARGs inviting viewers to geek out over Valenzetti equations or whatever. You can't, at this point, pull out the auteur defense.

But yeah, if all they're hearing is stuff like "I will hate you forever if you don't tell me who Sayid shot on the golf course" then I sympathize a bit.

i think we are supposed to just accept that someone has been on the island since the beginning of time performing cj/jacob's role xp

weaving the weavy thing and, uh, kidnapping people

so how come you turn into weavy island protector by drinking that drink? was the bottle the same bottle jacob used to explain what the island is to richard (that was smashed by flocke at the end of that episode)?

it was clearly a reference to that bottle. wonder if we will find out if it was the exact same one.

what worries me is that from that interview it seems like this episode was them wrapping up the island mythology stuff. now they want to focus on the fate of their beloved characters for the rest of the run.

i don't think they have ever known what the island is apart from a place where crazy weird shit happens :(

Why would we need an origin for her? She's just part of a string of protectors who come to the island by accident and become candidates. If anything I'd want to see how this process began, but I don't really want to see that.

that's what i mean really - the origin of the process. why just show us an earlier link in the chain.

i would have been much happier if adam + eve were revealed to be some character we've known since the start as a consequence of wrapping up all the time travel stuff. it's like they just used to nuclear bomb to put an end to the time loop stuffs (even tho it makes no sense) and they are never gonna revisit it.

oh god the adam and eve reveal was terrible!

yep - stopped caring about that three seasons ago

there's a lot they'll never answer. jacob isn't "special". but how did she make out that MIB was? unlike jacob, she didn't have a big list o' candidates did she? they just showed up? fuk u "lost".