DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (7011 of them)

MW:

Mr Hague told BBC Radio 4's Today programme a five-year fixed-term parliament had been introduced to help guarantee stability: "We have done everything possible to lock ourselves together to avoid the dangers of instability and haggling that are of course present in any hung parliament."

The only way to remove a government before the five years was up would be in a vote of confidence backed by 55% of MPs. Current rules are that the votes of 50% of MPs, plus one, can remove a government. The Conservatives currently have 47% of MPs.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:32 (sixteen years ago)

Tax break for married couples and civil partners (Lib Dems able to abstain)

conrad, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:37 (sixteen years ago)

http://i39.tinypic.com/24cs7s1.jpg

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:38 (sixteen years ago)

The silver linings are the civil liberties stuff

I'll believe all that when I see it, wait for the Chief Constables to start bleating and see what the Tories do then

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:42 (sixteen years ago)

nah I think there's room to cut back some of Labour's worst law and order excesses without pissing off the police and it makes for relatively cheap political capital. Looks good when you start cutting back all that awful health and safety and employees' rights red tape too.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:47 (sixteen years ago)

Outlawing the fingerprinting of children at school without parental permission

what's this all abaht then?

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:57 (sixteen years ago)

no more finger painting

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:58 (sixteen years ago)

some schools use fingerprint scanners for library books, paying for school meals etc. opponents: http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/

joe, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:00 (sixteen years ago)

it might relate to the Tory-friendly Academy schools that run their security, libraries and school dinners using biometrics. How else are they gonna keep the Epsilons out tho?

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:00 (sixteen years ago)

In their manifesto, the Tories said they wanted to allow residents to stop councils raising taxes (by making it possible for them to make council tax increases subject to a referendum). This will probably be an area for dispute in the future.

I think they should talk to Arnie about that one.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:01 (sixteen years ago)

some schools use fingerprint scanners for library books, paying for school meals etc. [...] Tory-friendly Academy schools that run their security, libraries and school dinners using biometrics.

blimey

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:02 (sixteen years ago)

So the Big Society Decentralising Power for U Party wants to remove more power from local councils? How surprising.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:03 (sixteen years ago)

Par for the course for Tory governments

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:04 (sixteen years ago)

I think they should talk to Arnie about that one.

When did teh UK get so referenda crazy?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:06 (sixteen years ago)

Par for the course for Tory governments

But the power wants to be free, maaaaaaaan! All power to the people, build your own schools, learn how to do your own heart surgery, get together with some community-minded guys and form your own local paedo-beating clubs, come oooooooon, won't somebody get The Man off our backs once and for all??

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:07 (sixteen years ago)

im think ima set up a google alert for "daniel hannan" and "shitfit"

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100039465/the-first-test-of-the-new-government-will-come-at-the-june-eu-summit/

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:08 (sixteen years ago)

Cameron introduces new minister for Local Government:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/20/gal_1968-6.jpg

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:10 (sixteen years ago)

(by making it possible for them to make council tax increases subject to a referendum).

Aren't local councils elected?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:12 (sixteen years ago)

But they keep electing the wrong ones

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:12 (sixteen years ago)

raising council tax is the tory govt's job

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:13 (sixteen years ago)

... that was the problem the last time the Tories were in (xp)

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:14 (sixteen years ago)

I'm guessing there's going to be a whole lot more Labour councils in the coming few years than there have been in the last few years

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:16 (sixteen years ago)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08dNa5450334k/610x.jpg

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:18 (sixteen years ago)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0f8i92u5Z5bcm/x610.jpg

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:18 (sixteen years ago)

... that was the problem the last time the Tories were in (xp)

Poll taxes?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:19 (sixteen years ago)

Always think a good Tory MP needs to look like a Dickens villain, and Pickles brings that in spades.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:19 (sixteen years ago)

Also, does this coalition thing mean that Messers Cameron and Clegg have to wear blue and yellow ties, repectively, for the next five years?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:20 (sixteen years ago)

Hadn't thought about this:

The government could still change mid-term (a PM loses confidence of House, Queen asks someone else to see if they form a new government), but the parliament would stay in place.
http://www.globaldashboard.org/2010/05/12/libcon-agreement/

Can you force a PM to go, though? Or does the PM have to voluntarily resign.

stet, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:20 (sixteen years ago)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bg8abp4YF6hJ/610x.jpg

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:20 (sixteen years ago)

He's going to be the most ridiculed figure in politics in a couple of months. Apart from Gosbourne maybe.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:20 (sixteen years ago)

pickles brings a lot in spades

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:21 (sixteen years ago)

Is he really heterosexual?

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:21 (sixteen years ago)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00fv3rPgM34Je/610x.jpg

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:22 (sixteen years ago)

Don't know who Pickles is but his tailor certainly needs horsewhipping. (The Tories are still for that, right?)

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:22 (sixteen years ago)

what's this all abaht then?

Well, when I started middle school every child was fingerprinted by the police, this would be the early 80s. I thought this was widespread practice.

Hang Parliament (DavidM), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:23 (sixteen years ago)

The on who smelt it dealt it, eh Ken? (xxp)

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:23 (sixteen years ago)

The government could still change mid-term (a PM loses confidence of House, Queen asks someone else to see if they form a new government), but the parliament would stay in place.

Ah, pining for the days of the Long Parliament, eh?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:24 (sixteen years ago)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0bg8abp4YF6hJ/610x.jpg

This image is amazing. Like an Edward Hopper painting done by Banksy.

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:25 (sixteen years ago)

haha, don't.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gHLdmo4H30YQ/x610.jpg

ws.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:26 (sixteen years ago)

Ok, so 55% thing might solely refer to dissolution of parliament (and GE trigger)? If sitting gov't Queen's Speech is voted down, PM will have to resign and allow another coalition to form? Trying to imagine how this would work in practice; LD-Con lose major supply bill vote (due to substantial LD rebellion (can this happen? Whipped so it can't?)) by just a couple of votes (not 358-292+), Cameron has to stand down and allow another gov't to form?

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:27 (sixteen years ago)

Can't believe people are still doing Frank Spencer in 2010.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:28 (sixteen years ago)

Ooooh Betty! The Dems has done a whoopsie on the country!

he speak the frenche as the Frenches himselves (snoball), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:31 (sixteen years ago)

I think it only applies to the confidence votes which force an election, but yeah, if there's no 50%+1 majority to get anything done then i don't see how cameron can avoid calling one.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:31 (sixteen years ago)

I guess this means what we're actually stuck with, give or take by-elections/defections, is five years of 307-258-57-28. How those numbers actually arrange themselves into governing blocs, or who is in charge at the top, can change without the 55% proviso. You just don't get another election.

I'm still not happy.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:33 (sixteen years ago)

Hopefully the libdem vote will implode in the Thirsk and Malton election in a fortnight's time and the libdem's get a screaming case of the wobblies.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:34 (sixteen years ago)

We understand that Baroness Warsi is to become Conservative Party chairman. She will part of the cabinet - the first Muslim woman ever to hold such a senior political position.

^^^ pickles out.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:34 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, if there's no 50%+1 majority to get anything done then i don't see how cameron can avoid calling one.
this is worst of all though, because now he *can't* call one unless he does a German-style dodge.

stet, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:35 (sixteen years ago)

this is the kind of thing the lords are there to block right?

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:35 (sixteen years ago)

god bless the house of lords

show me your buccina (ken c), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:36 (sixteen years ago)

Pickles is now Communities Secretary iirc xxps

Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:36 (sixteen years ago)


This thread has been locked by an administrator

You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.