DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

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David Cameron explains to Nick
Clegg where the wheelie bins are and
how often they get emptied

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:06 (sixteen years ago)

"those muffled cries for help you can hear are in fact just the wind, moving on..."

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:07 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, really like that section. But:

• A new mechanism to prevent the proliferation of unnecessary new criminal offences."

is drivel. There's a mechanism already; it's called being the government. Unless this is a cover for another hideous power-grab to limit the commons in some way

stet, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:07 (sixteen years ago)

with luck the civil liberties stuff will work wonders on labour: now they don't have to worry about an attack from the right on that, they're safe to move leftwards. but they might just as well decide that authoritarianism is their u.s.p.

this shit was about more than just outflanking the tories, on terrorist issue maybe but id cards were their own invention

sincerely share your hope tho

also oops for incorrectly initializing APS

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:11 (sixteen years ago)

Digital Britain? I'm guessing that one disappeared through the cracks *clutches YSI*

Did nobody point out to Labour that the Lib Dem's had a policy in their pocket that would have made a Rainbow Coalition's slim majority pretty much rock solid?

carson dial, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:13 (sixteen years ago)

"Ending of storage of internet and email records without good reason" <- isn't this just the sort of thing that yr Tory small business owner rails against endlessly, what do I have to sign up to all this paperwork about not storing emails for, legislation gone mad etc? Or is this just for government? What is an "internet record"?

(yeah, I'm picking on the small stuff because the big stuff sounds charming enough, but the devil is surely in the details and I don't trust the Tories' idea of "civil liberties" to be new liberties across the board and not just for the big guys in suits)

xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:16 (sixteen years ago)

that's talking about ISPs

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:17 (sixteen years ago)

Did nobody point out to Labour that the Lib Dem's had a policy in their pocket that would have made a Rainbow Coalition's slim majority pretty much rock solid?

:(

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:19 (sixteen years ago)

Which was?

tweedledee and tweedledem (suzy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:20 (sixteen years ago)

55%

The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:21 (sixteen years ago)

lest we forget
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/09/liberal-democrat-tory-coalition-threatened-eurosceptic

cozen, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:21 (sixteen years ago)

Did nobody point out to Labour that the Lib Dem's had a policy in their pocket that would have made a Rainbow Coalition's slim majority pretty much rock solid?

- Think the level of opposition to PR in the Labour ranks is pretty strong

- Imposing PR with a fragile coalition would be almost as much of a dick move as what ConDem are currently trying to do.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:23 (sixteen years ago)

Also 55% is an awful policy no matter which party is imposing it. You can't just change the rules in order to prop up a fragile coalition government, it's undemocratic.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:24 (sixteen years ago)

There's nothing in the Lib Dem manifesto about 55% that I can see, just fixed term parliaments. The 55% is new.

Groke, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:26 (sixteen years ago)

The 55% is because it's a coalition.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:26 (sixteen years ago)

yep what matt said. five-year fixed terms are heinous whoever imposes them. shoring up this horribly formed coalition isn't sufficient reason to do it. a lib-lab pact would not have bee stronger -- given that it involved nationalists, it would probably have been weaker -- and i don't think that would have gone the half-decade distance either.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:27 (sixteen years ago)

Will be interesting (nauseating) to see if the 55% thing has a time limit of this parliament.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:27 (sixteen years ago)

The silver linings are the civil liberties stuff and the fact that the labour party didn't commit suicide.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:28 (sixteen years ago)

What's this 55% thing?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:29 (sixteen years ago)

why don't they make it 100%?

show me your buccina (ken c), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:29 (sixteen years ago)

110%!!!

show me your buccina (ken c), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:30 (sixteen years ago)

i want to see our parliament accept nothing unless everybody is giving 110%

show me your buccina (ken c), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:31 (sixteen years ago)

mps can be recalled if they fall too low in the capello index

joe, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:32 (sixteen years ago)

What's this 55% thing?

― Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

they've imposed five year fixed-term parliaments and the only way to bring a general election sooner is to get a 55% result in the house in a vote of (no) confidence

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:32 (sixteen years ago)

MW:

Mr Hague told BBC Radio 4's Today programme a five-year fixed-term parliament had been introduced to help guarantee stability: "We have done everything possible to lock ourselves together to avoid the dangers of instability and haggling that are of course present in any hung parliament."

The only way to remove a government before the five years was up would be in a vote of confidence backed by 55% of MPs. Current rules are that the votes of 50% of MPs, plus one, can remove a government. The Conservatives currently have 47% of MPs.

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:32 (sixteen years ago)

Tax break for married couples and civil partners (Lib Dems able to abstain)

conrad, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:37 (sixteen years ago)

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American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:38 (sixteen years ago)

The silver linings are the civil liberties stuff

I'll believe all that when I see it, wait for the Chief Constables to start bleating and see what the Tories do then

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:42 (sixteen years ago)

nah I think there's room to cut back some of Labour's worst law and order excesses without pissing off the police and it makes for relatively cheap political capital. Looks good when you start cutting back all that awful health and safety and employees' rights red tape too.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:47 (sixteen years ago)

Outlawing the fingerprinting of children at school without parental permission

what's this all abaht then?

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:57 (sixteen years ago)

no more finger painting

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:58 (sixteen years ago)

some schools use fingerprint scanners for library books, paying for school meals etc. opponents: http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/

joe, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:00 (sixteen years ago)

it might relate to the Tory-friendly Academy schools that run their security, libraries and school dinners using biometrics. How else are they gonna keep the Epsilons out tho?

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:00 (sixteen years ago)

In their manifesto, the Tories said they wanted to allow residents to stop councils raising taxes (by making it possible for them to make council tax increases subject to a referendum). This will probably be an area for dispute in the future.

I think they should talk to Arnie about that one.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:01 (sixteen years ago)

some schools use fingerprint scanners for library books, paying for school meals etc. [...] Tory-friendly Academy schools that run their security, libraries and school dinners using biometrics.

blimey

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:02 (sixteen years ago)

So the Big Society Decentralising Power for U Party wants to remove more power from local councils? How surprising.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:03 (sixteen years ago)

Par for the course for Tory governments

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:04 (sixteen years ago)

I think they should talk to Arnie about that one.

When did teh UK get so referenda crazy?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:06 (sixteen years ago)

Par for the course for Tory governments

But the power wants to be free, maaaaaaaan! All power to the people, build your own schools, learn how to do your own heart surgery, get together with some community-minded guys and form your own local paedo-beating clubs, come oooooooon, won't somebody get The Man off our backs once and for all??

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:07 (sixteen years ago)

im think ima set up a google alert for "daniel hannan" and "shitfit"

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100039465/the-first-test-of-the-new-government-will-come-at-the-june-eu-summit/

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:08 (sixteen years ago)

Cameron introduces new minister for Local Government:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/20/gal_1968-6.jpg

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:10 (sixteen years ago)

(by making it possible for them to make council tax increases subject to a referendum).

Aren't local councils elected?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:12 (sixteen years ago)

But they keep electing the wrong ones

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:12 (sixteen years ago)

raising council tax is the tory govt's job

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:13 (sixteen years ago)

... that was the problem the last time the Tories were in (xp)

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:14 (sixteen years ago)

I'm guessing there's going to be a whole lot more Labour councils in the coming few years than there have been in the last few years

"The Nail on the Bannister" by R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:16 (sixteen years ago)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08dNa5450334k/610x.jpg

caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:18 (sixteen years ago)

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caek, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:18 (sixteen years ago)

... that was the problem the last time the Tories were in (xp)

Poll taxes?

Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:19 (sixteen years ago)

Always think a good Tory MP needs to look like a Dickens villain, and Pickles brings that in spades.

Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:19 (sixteen years ago)


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