yeah it felt like they bookmarked this episode to tell this story and nothing else, but then just didn't have much to fill the hour with. for once i wish they kept jumping back to the present day (although not the flashbacks to Jack and Kate in the cave, which were just maddeningly heavy-handed).
really curious to see if vozzek or any other recappers can spin anything out of this episode that'll make me rethink it or appreciate it more
― some dude, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:35 (sixteen years ago)
the avclub analysis ain't too bad. but you can't paint a turd.
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:38 (sixteen years ago)
i mean is it too much to ask that we at least know the main players MOTIVATIONS at this point? we have no idea what is motivating any of these gamemasters.
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:39 (sixteen years ago)
I feel like it answered some questions. I agree it seems like a weird time to throw it out there. But at least it seems to clarify that MIB is not necessarily "evil". The only question left for me is "who was allison janney", we'll see if they bother answering that.
― akm, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:40 (sixteen years ago)
SHE IS MOTHER EARF
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:41 (sixteen years ago)
i was gonna say
the flashbacks were so dumb
it's like, if you've made it this far, you know what the deal is with adam&eve, it's telegraphed a million miles away. if you don't know that stuff, the entire rest of the episode is probably incomprehensible too.
― sir gaga (s1ocki), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:41 (sixteen years ago)
new viral site btw
http://www.jacobssteakhouse.com/
― sir gaga (s1ocki), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:47 (sixteen years ago)
jacob/MIB/mom = worst deux ex machina ever in fictional serialized drama in popular culture. not hyperbole in the slightest.
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:55 (sixteen years ago)
deus, sorry. can't find my keyboard this morning.
you should just say TV show because "fictional serialized drama in popular culture" opens up the wacky world of comic books
― some dude, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:56 (sixteen years ago)
truth
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:58 (sixteen years ago)
but lost is not just any TV show
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:59 (sixteen years ago)
i mean the sopranos ending is soooooo perfect in retrospect
What was the explanation for how MiB figured out a way off the island - something about how they "figured out a way to attach this wheel to some strings and blah blah blah"?
Seriously, why wasn't this episode - if they just *had* to do it - aired earlier? Even as the second half of a two-hour season premiere or something?
― Becky Facelift, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:00 (sixteen years ago)
they figured out to how build to a wheel to put in a bigger whole in the wall which would direct the light into water and somehow transport them off the island. yeah.
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:01 (sixteen years ago)
xxxpost more like deuce ex machina amirite
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:01 (sixteen years ago)
kind of amazed at how highly the fan/recap sites seem to be rating this episode
― some dude, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:21 (sixteen years ago)
Still really struggling to understand people's problems here. I guess after all these years I still don't get the internet.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:22 (sixteen years ago)
well, what's GOOD about it? i mean was there any point in the episode where you thought "that's a clever way to tie that together" or "that's a big surprise" or "that satisfied my curiosity"?
― some dude, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:25 (sixteen years ago)
kind of amazed at how highly the fan/recap sites seem to be rating this episode― some dude, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:21 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― some dude, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:21 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
Seriously. I guess that people can convince themselves of anything. Some serious WWII Germany parallels, here, in the Lost fanbase.
― winnebago taco, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:25 (sixteen years ago)
president keyes i'm struggling to understand your appreciation of this steaming pile of shit we were presented with last night
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:26 (sixteen years ago)
still don't get why the island or the light or whatever wanted MIB to leave the island. if he had never seen his dead mom he would have stayed with fake mom forever probably. and i gotta think that the island is the force that allows people to see dead people. this is turning into m. nightmare shamalama territory.
am i supposed to think that it was the "evil" part of the light that turned MIB against his family?
― scott seward, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:26 (sixteen years ago)
if the adam & eve skeletons were meant to prove they had a plan all along they failed miserably.
― abanana, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:27 (sixteen years ago)
my first thought last night was: i can't BELIEVE this is one of the last episodes of this show.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:27 (sixteen years ago)
i mean, which of these revelations do you appreciate the most?
the island is protecting an incredibly vague "light" entity that is everything and nothing imaginable.
stick a wooden wheel in the light and shit happens.
smokey is a truly sympathetic character has every reason to want to leave the island.
adam & eve are smokey and his fake crazy mom.
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:29 (sixteen years ago)
we already knew about the island's crazy energy. we knew about the wheel. we knew smokey was tortured. so that leaves the skeletons. big whoop.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:32 (sixteen years ago)
Related questions, in the wake of last night's shit-a-thon;
How was Jacob getting off of the island to fuck with the 815ers off-island lives? And, for that matter, how the FUCK was he getting back? And who was holding down the fort when he was gone? Shouldn't Smokenstein have been able to peace out, as soon as Jacob was gone?
Jesus, this show.
― winnebago taco, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:35 (sixteen years ago)
― abanana, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:27 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
seriously -- it was a character not mentioned until halfway through season 3, and a character not introduced until the end of season 6! feels like they planned it out well to me!
― some dude, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:41 (sixteen years ago)
this show is making a good argument for why complicated sci-fi/fantasy epics are usually created by one obsessive writer/auteur with a vision and not built up by committee by dozens of people just trying to put on a show from week to week.
― some dude, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:45 (sixteen years ago)
I never read it (I never followed much of the non-show-related ephemera), but wasn't there a spin-off book called "Bad Twin" all the way back in Season 1?
― Becky Facelift, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:48 (sixteen years ago)
yeah if they dont explain why or how jacob can go off-island before the end of the show thats just bad writing at this point tbh xposts
― Samhain 69 (jjjusten), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:48 (sixteen years ago)
not only can he go off-island, he has no problem integrating into modern society as opposed to some savage & fruity lord of the rings kid
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:50 (sixteen years ago)
WHAT IS BOAT?
also getting a real original sin angle here re: people are bad, jacob u r the innocent moppet, gotta get us some born on the island babies which is making me v v wary about any further explanations of the magical light in the ground.
― Samhain 69 (jjjusten), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:51 (sixteen years ago)
Seems to be some division on whether or not Smokey is actually an entity that predates MiB or if he's actually the unbodied spirit of MiB. If he's the former, he probably needs to be confined there for some reason, but if he's the latter, I hope he fucking kills everyone and finally gets off the island...because that dude got a raw deal from all ends.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:54 (sixteen years ago)
what is in marcellus wallace's suitcase
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:57 (sixteen years ago)
i was thinking other peeps like dharma or whatever found various was to exploit the island's powers through new technologies and shit
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:58 (sixteen years ago)
smokey just wants to buy an ipad, ride a bike, go to the cinema
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:59 (sixteen years ago)
Well, the donkey wheel got built by someone at some point. Seems a little crude to be a Dharma action, though.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:59 (sixteen years ago)
I like how this episode was all about "Jacob, the messiah figure/person with all the answers that Jack and Locke and Ben (and others) have been pursuing as the answer to all their problems for the past several seasons, is actually kind of a moron." I'm glad the LOST creators are cruel enough to do this.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:00 (sixteen years ago)
sure some other dudes came along before dharma and messed around with crap xp
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:01 (sixteen years ago)
yeah i'm sure the mother finished building the wheel in between bashing MIBs head against the wall and killing the villagers and filling the well up
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:02 (sixteen years ago)
why not? chick has some chops
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:03 (sixteen years ago)
yeah she's good at the loom and bashing peoples heads with rocks
― cutty, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:13 (sixteen years ago)
so basically the island because some homicidal woman alone on a island introduced in the second to last episode says so
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:14 (sixteen years ago)
so basically the island is important....
SHE’S THE PROCECTOR OF THE LIGHT YO
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:16 (sixteen years ago)
protector WHATEVER
fucking show
I was literally watching it salivating at the chance to complain about it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:17 (sixteen years ago)
this show has turned me into something I was not before I watched it
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:18 (sixteen years ago)