DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

and if this shit passes how will it die? it wd take both tories and libdems (facing electoral annihilation) to dissolve the coalition

fuck, i am an angry bastard today. for reallies, not in a talking-smack-on-ilx way. not been a very productive week.

More depressed than angry

it wd take both tories and libdems (facing electoral annihilation) to dissolve the coalition

not a big ask tbh.

just feeling rly dismayed more than fucked off right now

didn't expect anything good to come out of this election but this shit is beyond the pale

ha xp

Basically it's the second worst outcome (Tory majority being the worst).

Yeah, fuck New Labour and Labour in general but this is like a kick in the guts

I have v few opinions abt fixed-term vs not, but 5 years is too long, the mandate is too slim (but not slim enough that there seems much chance of it not going through), and just dropping it on us like this is fucking nuts, no? Why are twitter / the streets not full of people shouting about this?

yeah, i'm stanning for this deal, but i'm not feeling good. still, bigger picture: charles clarke lost his seat.

just the sinking feeling of the inevitable but horrible confirmation of names like osborne, hague, lansley, may, duncan-smith, pickles, ad nauseum

not a big ask tbh.

difficult to envisage likely situations in which it wd serve both parties tho

And, by the way, what arguments are the Tories going to use in favour of FPTP now? I can't work that out.

i was looking forward to a truly hilarious summer, but i suspect something they've forced into a metastable state in this way is going to take a while to implode. not five years tho.

actually quite like this coalition stuff, but unfortunately all the people involved are wankers.

"rainbow coalition" incl. nationalists is about 330, so this would would require about 20-25 conservative MPs to rebel (depending on the details of what 55% is in re: sinn fein and the speaker)

would be some moment if the SF seats took their seats to remove the tories

didn't cameron just say constitutional reform was deputy pm's responsbility? 55% arguably serves the lib dems more than conservatives, clegg wanted a coalition for a fixed period tho i don't think anyone expected this

haha, that would be awesome, but not going to happen.

20-25 is doable given their previous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Rebels

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100039501/europe-will-split-david-cameron’s-coalition-apart-before-long/

norman tebbit otm

think i might turn agent provocateur, start winding up guido fawkes, conservativehome etc. try to hasten the shit-flinging. literally the least one can do.

Not really cheered by the mention of a rebellion happening 12 years into the last era of Tory rule tbh, was hoping for something a little speedier

and the rebel conservatives wd have to find some common cause with virtually all of lib dems and labour

not simply a policy difference but a will to terminate tory govt

maastricht was the first really substantive vote on europe of the conservative govt., wasn't it? (not sure)

i'm not sure what's coming down the pipe now. something good, i hope.

and the rebel conservatives wd have to find some common cause with virtually all of lib dems and labour

Labour can just kid on they're outraged

http://dev.null.org/scrapbook/2005/1022_barley.jpg

Args for FPTP = "woe, hung parliament!"

By then, they'll be ready to offload the libs back into nopowerland...

Why are twitter / the streets not full of people shouting about this?

I've done my bit on Twitter and FB and now I'm going to go outside and knock a bobby's helmet off.

tebbit...

There is however another novel factor which will come into play when the coalition does come apart. If we have legislated for a fixed term Parliament, what happens then? What if no one can command the confidence of the House of Commons and there cannot be a general election to resolve the issue?

Liz 2 steps up

the conservatives may fuck up everything and the coalition may become comepletely dysfunctional, but even the hard right won't want to call (with lib/lab) an election they are likely to lose

the tories wd then govern as effectively a minority govt w/ day-to-day suppport until 2015

but even the hard right won't want to call (with lib/lab) an election they are likely to lose

they have tried it in the 90s. i think it's difficult to under/overestimate them.

"The parties agree to implement a full programme of measures to reverse the substantial erosion of civil liberties under the Labour government and roll back state intrusion.

This will include:

• A freedom or great repeal bill;

• The scrapping of the ID card scheme, the national identity register, the next generation of biometric passports and the Contact Point database;

• Outlawing the fingerprinting of children at school without parental permission;

• The extension of the scope of the Freedom of Information Act to provide greater transparency;

• Adopting the protections of the Scottish model for the DNA database;

• The protection of historic freedoms through the defence of trial by jury;

• The restoration of rights to non-violent protest;

• The review of libel laws to protect freedom of speech;

• Safeguards against the misuse of anti-terrorism legislation;

• Further regulation of CCTV;

• Ending of storage of internet and email records without good reason;

• A new mechanism to prevent the proliferation of unnecessary new criminal offences."

Seems like all good stuff. What say ye?

the markets would not like that

xpost re minority govt till 2015

no 'freedom to make dumb tweets about blowing up airports' no cred

needs more stuff about evidence-based policy, but that there is your silver lining.

such as it is.

And they're going to make Miaow Miaow legal again...

they have tried it in the 90s. i think it's difficult to under/overestimate them.

as APC alluded to, that was after more than a decade of tory govt w/ will-to-power flagging and some of the 'let's regroup in opposition' sentiment labour have shown in recent days

could happen sure but i wouldn't think it a likelihood

with luck the civil liberties stuff will work wonders on labour: now they don't have to worry about an attack from the right on that, they're safe to move leftwards. but they might just as well decide that authoritarianism is their u.s.p.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47834000/jpg/_47834611_cameronandclegg226282in_get.jpg

David Cameron explains to Nick
Clegg where the wheelie bins are and
how often they get emptied

"those muffled cries for help you can hear are in fact just the wind, moving on..."

Yeah, really like that section. But:

• A new mechanism to prevent the proliferation of unnecessary new criminal offences."

with luck the civil liberties stuff will work wonders on labour: now they don't have to worry about an attack from the right on that, they're safe to move leftwards. but they might just as well decide that authoritarianism is their u.s.p.

this shit was about more than just outflanking the tories, on terrorist issue maybe but id cards were their own invention

sincerely share your hope tho

also oops for incorrectly initializing APS

Digital Britain? I'm guessing that one disappeared through the cracks *clutches YSI*

Did nobody point out to Labour that the Lib Dem's had a policy in their pocket that would have made a Rainbow Coalition's slim majority pretty much rock solid?

"Ending of storage of internet and email records without good reason" <- isn't this just the sort of thing that yr Tory small business owner rails against endlessly, what do I have to sign up to all this paperwork about not storing emails for, legislation gone mad etc? Or is this just for government? What is an "internet record"?

(yeah, I'm picking on the small stuff because the big stuff sounds charming enough, but the devil is surely in the details and I don't trust the Tories' idea of "civil liberties" to be new liberties across the board and not just for the big guys in suits)

that's talking about ISPs

Did nobody point out to Labour that the Lib Dem's had a policy in their pocket that would have made a Rainbow Coalition's slim majority pretty much rock solid?

:(

Which was?

55%