Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

lolllllll

I guess we'll learn more about the mirrors in the lighthouse next week (as suggested by the promo), but Jack was clearly Jacob's favorite candidate and now we know why. They're the fucking same.

dear people who have stuck with this bullshit, if i answer your question it will only lead to more questions... why don't i just kill you with a rock?

Please do, jungle CJ.

No idea if someone has already pointed this out but
Jacob = http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/malcolm/images/340/dewey2.jpg

LOL

So did we really see both pixie kids popping up around the island in previous episodes and just assumed it was the blonde one both times? Or was it the same lil guy?

I thought this episode was fine. I've already given up hope that the ending will be satisfying, so now I'll just take a ol timey yarn if it gets me away from Kate and Jack for awhile.

xp who knows? If everyone killed on the island can be a ghost, maybe 13 yo MiB is running around in the trees too. Maybe even jungle CJ's ghost is out there.

i enjoyed it too. if they haven't already hammered the point a million times, they sure did again with the "every answer just leads to more questions" line

I've given up on a satisfying ending too, but I actually found this one completely insulting (for many reasons which have already been listed above). Mostly, though, it boils down to the big mystery of the island being a literal cork in a bottle. Oh, pure evil lives here? That's nice.

xp Yeah even I was shouting 'enough already, writers' at that "every question leads to more questions" line.

ugh allison janney was so wooden. she even died perfunctorily. "thank you" (head flops to one side.)

this episode was some astonishing bullshit.

I'll be very disappointed if the time travel aspect doesn't play a bigger role in the wrap-up. That's always been the most interesting subplot of the whole series, but if it just serves as a crutch to explain why/when various candidates are chosen, I'm going to be SOUR.

be honest, you're gonna be sour regardless

Even in an episode like this which lays it out, nothing can be absolutely clear-cut - even that last bit where the mother dies and just replies "i love you" after MIB asks why she wouldn't let him leave, there's still that doubt that maybe, after all, she really WAS just a crazy person who stole a woman's babies to raise herself - and her actions indirectly caused all of this due to her dishonesty, the faith vs. reason argument played out yet again. This kind of stuff has always been a strength of the show, and whatever we get from the finale is still going to be most focused on the characters' emotions playing out over the show's themes, and little on past plot machinations or explanations.

So did we really see both pixie kids popping up around the island in previous episodes and just assumed it was the blonde one both times? Or was it the same lil guy?

― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:08 AM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, it was the same actor as the blonde one both times (w/ different colored hair), but who the hell knows.

I'm not saying I want every question ever raised to be answered. I've come to appreciate a lot of ambiguity while following this show. I'd just like for the major points of the mythology to not be so dumb. From what I gather right now, the island is the place on earth whence all good and all evil are manifested. Fat lot of good being good does you if you're just sentenced to making sure evil doesn't get out for centuries at a time. It didn't help that Jacob was such a naive and trusting chump that he just did what his not-real mom told him without questioning a thing, even after she told him Young MiB's suspicions were correct. It turned into an inferiority complex by the time he became an adult, and now he's spent centuries summoning people to take his job so, what, he can retire? Die? Well, he succeeded. Now he's dead (but maybe not...as his teenage self is still running through the trees).

Now I've confused myself.

Oh, right. Not-real mom clearly wasn't the original guardian either, so was she summoning people to the island through the lighthouse, or was it just dumb luck that a woman pregnant with twins wound up in her care? Could not-real mom travel through time to select candidates or not? I mean, the donkey wheel hadn't yet been put in place, and she didn't seem to have any real knowledge of what was in the glowing cave. Just some mumbo jumbo shit she was probably told by whoever she replaced.

Anyway, I guess they've been telegraphing the whole good vs. evil thing from the very beginning, but I never thought that they'd cop out this hard on such a pivotal story point and make it the simplest and most uninteresting thing possible.

Christ, you people. You come to this thread, you fight, you destroy, you corrupt.

This episode was great.

"This episode was great"

Think exactly the same!

Things we may have learned here:

The pregnancy thing from SSN 3 was probably caused by MIB, who knew that candidates were coming and figured they'd come the same way he and Jacob had.

Jacob totally ordered the Dharma genocide, (just like his mom killed the village,) which perhaps corrupted him to the point where he needed to be replaced.

MIB is not some eternal part of the island, like these guardians, but a new thing created by Jacob.

Oh, and duh, all kinds of parallels between Aaron and Jacob/MIB.

i'm not sure why you guys thing MIB/smokey are two different things. in the richard episode smokey says that jacob stole my body. smokey still wants to leave the island. it's the same person.

yeah seriously, why would a smoke monster with all of MIB's grudges and feelings come out of the cave right when MIB's (human form) died and take MIB's shape later to talk to Jacob as an old friend/brother/nemesis, but not be MIB?

Just three more hours of my life wasted to this bullshit.

3.5 hours, if you're watching live with commercials.

Thanks for the update!

just sayin dude you got more bullshit to watch than you think

soooooooooooooo, what supernatural power on the island enabled MIB to see his dead mother and be warned against his fake mom? and why would this power want him to turn against his fake mom and leave the island?

Did the same thing that happened to MIB happen to Desmond when the Hatch exploded?

i think the most irritating thing, of all the irritating things, for me was the namelessness. it seemed like they were withholding a big reveal the whole episode and then just didn't bother, which, i mean, what's the big deal? give the guy a fuckin' name, just to get it over with.

his name is johnny islands

He has to be named Aaron or something. Doesn't seem like a big enough deal.

if Aaron of all things is the one season 1 plot strand that they actually go back to and attach significance to i'm gonna be pissed

I watched this show for the first time in like three years last night with my gf feeding me cliff notes to explain what's happened. I made it as far as Allison Janney showing baby Aaron and Jacob the cave of light before I walked away. I'm sure it's not like this always but mannnnn this is sorta asinine.

if Aaron of all things is the one season 1 plot strand that they actually go back to and attach significance to i'm gonna be pissed

It would be funnier if his name was Vincent.

thanks for your input forks

nah forks it's been about that asinine lately.

eh, not necessarily. the previous episodes haven't been this bad.

this was definitely the height of stupidity for the show. not the the idea itself for such an episode is bad, but the execution and explanations it gave us really shits on the viewers interest all these years.

*not that the idea

yeah it felt like they bookmarked this episode to tell this story and nothing else, but then just didn't have much to fill the hour with. for once i wish they kept jumping back to the present day (although not the flashbacks to Jack and Kate in the cave, which were just maddeningly heavy-handed).

really curious to see if vozzek or any other recappers can spin anything out of this episode that'll make me rethink it or appreciate it more

the avclub analysis ain't too bad. but you can't paint a turd.

i mean is it too much to ask that we at least know the main players MOTIVATIONS at this point? we have no idea what is motivating any of these gamemasters.

I feel like it answered some questions. I agree it seems like a weird time to throw it out there. But at least it seems to clarify that MIB is not necessarily "evil". The only question left for me is "who was allison janney", we'll see if they bother answering that.

SHE IS MOTHER EARF

i was gonna say

the flashbacks were so dumb

it's like, if you've made it this far, you know what the deal is with adam&eve, it's telegraphed a million miles away. if you don't know that stuff, the entire rest of the episode is probably incomprehensible too.

new viral site btw

http://www.jacobssteakhouse.com/

jacob/MIB/mom = worst deux ex machina ever in fictional serialized drama in popular culture. not hyperbole in the slightest.

deus, sorry. can't find my keyboard this morning.

you should just say TV show because "fictional serialized drama in popular culture" opens up the wacky world of comic books