Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

my biggest gripe is the "light"

it's everything, nothing, birth, rebirth, blah blah you don't have a creative explanation for anything

however i WS allison janney?

ws C.J. Cregg, but maybe not Allison Janney.

and definitely not mortal jungle lady.

that wig was awful

jacob's mom was totally hot tho

@scottfrilot The island is Marcellus Wallace's briefcase. #lost

Worst episode ever...? Game, set, match.

scottfrilotm

I was trying to figure out if CJ spoke like a moron because:
a) she was from olden times
b) she was speaking to children
c) she was a character on Lost

This episode was worse than Hugo's Imaginary Friend or Jack Gets A Tatoo bcz at least those episodes were of zero consequence to anything and not like the THIRD TO LAST EPISODE OF THE ENTIRE SERIES or whatever.

D&C: "Why should the fans get to write all the fanfic."

The whole Alison Janney = EVE thing is some Nikki & Paolo shit, for real.

Also, why kill the people? Why stop (real) MiB from leaving the island? Smokey still gets out and it's Jacob's fucking fault, so the inevitable happened, except with blood on Jacob's hands when there didn't have to be. Maybe that explains why he's a dick, but it doesn't fill my need FOR A GOOD AND COMPELLING STORY.

WS = watersports. Thank you, urban dictionary!

also, would sex.

smould wash

glad i got to relive phantom menace terribleness for half an hour there. could have easily skipped all of that.

ha, yeah. good to see I'm not the only one who was reminded of the midichlorians.

I'm confused--is smokey a separate entity from MiB, who got released*, or was MiB's soul or whatever turned into smokey by entering that fucking RPG savepoint thing. What their mom said about the consequences of Jacob entering being worse than dying works in both scenarios imo.

*I mean also what happens if a rabbit or whatever hops in there and how would that have not happened ever.

Smokey killed real MiB because he's pure evil, and assumes his likeness when conversing with Jacob in the future.

But yeah, if the system was that fragile, a rabbit could've unleashed evil Smokey.

Jacob played with people's lives for thousands of years, to prove his mother wrong, who he 'sided' with all the while she was alive?

LMFAO @ "RPG savepoint thing."

That's fucking gold, Jerry.

Jacob is a complete douche, and everything is his fault. If D&C are really still pushing the "Jacob is Good" thing, they don't even get the point of what they're doing. His own stupidity is why he's where he is now.

lol RPG savepoint thing!

well it's understandable that his self-admittedly corrupted brother killing his mother might change his opinion pretty drastically.. or more likely he just wants to be on the other side of his brother. how did Allison Janney manage to wipe out that whole village and fill in the well!? guess we'll never know

guess a key thing is that the non-smokey "ghosts" we've seen like Ben's mother, Christian, etc. are NOT necessarily MIB/Jacob's bro, but the "evil one" who has been manipulating and corrupting shit since the beginning of time (likely inc. the island inhabitants). not even factoring in the good ghosts like Richard's wife

Jacob is a complete douche, and everything is his fault. If D&C are really still pushing the "Jacob is Good" thing, they don't even get the point of what they're doing. His own stupidity is why he's where he is now.

So he really is the old school version of Jack.

lolllllll

I guess we'll learn more about the mirrors in the lighthouse next week (as suggested by the promo), but Jack was clearly Jacob's favorite candidate and now we know why. They're the fucking same.

dear people who have stuck with this bullshit, if i answer your question it will only lead to more questions... why don't i just kill you with a rock?

Please do, jungle CJ.

No idea if someone has already pointed this out but
Jacob = http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/malcolm/images/340/dewey2.jpg

LOL

So did we really see both pixie kids popping up around the island in previous episodes and just assumed it was the blonde one both times? Or was it the same lil guy?

I thought this episode was fine. I've already given up hope that the ending will be satisfying, so now I'll just take a ol timey yarn if it gets me away from Kate and Jack for awhile.

xp who knows? If everyone killed on the island can be a ghost, maybe 13 yo MiB is running around in the trees too. Maybe even jungle CJ's ghost is out there.

i enjoyed it too. if they haven't already hammered the point a million times, they sure did again with the "every answer just leads to more questions" line

I've given up on a satisfying ending too, but I actually found this one completely insulting (for many reasons which have already been listed above). Mostly, though, it boils down to the big mystery of the island being a literal cork in a bottle. Oh, pure evil lives here? That's nice.

xp Yeah even I was shouting 'enough already, writers' at that "every question leads to more questions" line.

ugh allison janney was so wooden. she even died perfunctorily. "thank you" (head flops to one side.)

this episode was some astonishing bullshit.

I'll be very disappointed if the time travel aspect doesn't play a bigger role in the wrap-up. That's always been the most interesting subplot of the whole series, but if it just serves as a crutch to explain why/when various candidates are chosen, I'm going to be SOUR.

be honest, you're gonna be sour regardless

Even in an episode like this which lays it out, nothing can be absolutely clear-cut - even that last bit where the mother dies and just replies "i love you" after MIB asks why she wouldn't let him leave, there's still that doubt that maybe, after all, she really WAS just a crazy person who stole a woman's babies to raise herself - and her actions indirectly caused all of this due to her dishonesty, the faith vs. reason argument played out yet again. This kind of stuff has always been a strength of the show, and whatever we get from the finale is still going to be most focused on the characters' emotions playing out over the show's themes, and little on past plot machinations or explanations.

So did we really see both pixie kids popping up around the island in previous episodes and just assumed it was the blonde one both times? Or was it the same lil guy?

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well, it was the same actor as the blonde one both times (w/ different colored hair), but who the hell knows.

I'm not saying I want every question ever raised to be answered. I've come to appreciate a lot of ambiguity while following this show. I'd just like for the major points of the mythology to not be so dumb. From what I gather right now, the island is the place on earth whence all good and all evil are manifested. Fat lot of good being good does you if you're just sentenced to making sure evil doesn't get out for centuries at a time. It didn't help that Jacob was such a naive and trusting chump that he just did what his not-real mom told him without questioning a thing, even after she told him Young MiB's suspicions were correct. It turned into an inferiority complex by the time he became an adult, and now he's spent centuries summoning people to take his job so, what, he can retire? Die? Well, he succeeded. Now he's dead (but maybe not...as his teenage self is still running through the trees).

Now I've confused myself.

Oh, right. Not-real mom clearly wasn't the original guardian either, so was she summoning people to the island through the lighthouse, or was it just dumb luck that a woman pregnant with twins wound up in her care? Could not-real mom travel through time to select candidates or not? I mean, the donkey wheel hadn't yet been put in place, and she didn't seem to have any real knowledge of what was in the glowing cave. Just some mumbo jumbo shit she was probably told by whoever she replaced.

Anyway, I guess they've been telegraphing the whole good vs. evil thing from the very beginning, but I never thought that they'd cop out this hard on such a pivotal story point and make it the simplest and most uninteresting thing possible.

Christ, you people. You come to this thread, you fight, you destroy, you corrupt.

This episode was great.

"This episode was great"

Think exactly the same!

Things we may have learned here:

The pregnancy thing from SSN 3 was probably caused by MIB, who knew that candidates were coming and figured they'd come the same way he and Jacob had.

Jacob totally ordered the Dharma genocide, (just like his mom killed the village,) which perhaps corrupted him to the point where he needed to be replaced.

MIB is not some eternal part of the island, like these guardians, but a new thing created by Jacob.

Oh, and duh, all kinds of parallels between Aaron and Jacob/MIB.

i'm not sure why you guys thing MIB/smokey are two different things. in the richard episode smokey says that jacob stole my body. smokey still wants to leave the island. it's the same person.

yeah seriously, why would a smoke monster with all of MIB's grudges and feelings come out of the cave right when MIB's (human form) died and take MIB's shape later to talk to Jacob as an old friend/brother/nemesis, but not be MIB?

Just three more hours of my life wasted to this bullshit.

3.5 hours, if you're watching live with commercials.