Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

man i get so happy every time i think theyre actually going to finally kill kate (three times this ep) and then they pull the rug out from under me again

^^otm

the last 'Tuesday' episode has a semi-spoilery title that makes me hope Kate will bite it, but Lost hates me, so she will probably emerge immortal

when did we see it before it was broken? First time we saw it iirc was Locke picking some up and going "Huh, ash! Weird" - we didn't pan to full circle to see if it was unbroken (though it is not impossible to infer it was intact since there was someone in the chair in the cabin..)

Fine, we may not see it broken, but Ben goes to visit the cabin with some regularity, so it seems safe to assume that it is broken sometime between the Oceanic flight and the moment when he notices that it's broken, right? And given that Locke looks at the ring and it appears intact, and Ben walks across it when it is intact and even points the ring out to John if I recall correctly, wouldn't that suggest that it's probably intact even then? Because when it gets broken, it seems like Ben spots it immediately.

I don't know if I'd assume too much about this... The ash has specifically been shown to keep Smokey OUT out of what's in the ring - it's quite possible that Locke broke the ash surrounding the house, allowing Smokey to come in and impersonate Jacob that night. Ilana and co.'s remarks last year imply that it was a residence for Jacob at one point in the past, and Ben's limited knowledge of Jacob seems to corroborate that.

Oh rad, next week's episode is the one with no main characters.

just dudes in robes

Hurley says he cannot find the first aid kit. It can be seen in the control room next to Frank.Hurley says he cannot find the first aid kit. It can be seen in the control room next to Frank.

Hurley is working for Locke!!

Agree with everyone who said the Sun & Jin storyline was just pissed away this season. I'm beginning to hate this show.

oops btw Hurley says he cannot find the first aid kit. It can be seen in the control room next to Frank.

Locke having a great relationship with his dad in the alt - just because his dad was buttering him up for some kidney-grabbing? They didn't mention whether Locke had only recently been reunited with him; I would expect this is the case though. Guess it doesn't really matter.

"Sun & Jin storyline was just pissed away this season"
to be fair, I can't see them raising the bar without having the daughter being born looking exactly like Hurley or her dad pulling off his face to reveal that he's really Widmore or some craziness like that.

I mean how would you guys write it? (I'd have them giving birth to Hurley, and Widmore is her dad)

Just giving them some decent dialogue for a start. I'm pretty sure they both used to have personalities.

One other thing - I really don't care whether Locke has the surgery and walks again in the alt. Why is this suddenly like the most important plot point in the alt?

I think it's because it's the inevitable culmination of the Jack-Locke role reversal thing they have going. Locke will walk again and escape the cycle of self-loathing (was Jack), and Jack will have faith in himself and his purpose in life (was Locke). That was really terribly worded but I hope that makes sense.

^sounds right

only real regret about the sun and jin storyline is that they gave that exactly ONE episode to be together after the last two seasons of angst. and i liked their alt-storyline.

I guess the deal is that smokey couldn't leave the island or spread evil or wtf ever until everyone including Jacob was dead? So he manufactured Jacob's death and now is killing the rest of them? Because otherwise he could have left before Alpert arrived. But does that mean he needs to kill Desmond and Widmore and Tina Fey and all the chumps who ran into the forest as well? Does he not need to kill the spooky little boy? What about Rose & Bernard!

i'd have said it's to do with candidates...no jacob=no more candidates and a finite number left for mib to kill off. as much as putting logic on this show feels insane this seems pretty clear.

few really stupid bits in this episode.

1. oh we don't have enough time to show how utterly shit widmore's "on/off switch" electric fence was, lets just say "sayid disabled it".
2. sayid is evil and twisted oh no actually he just had a moral flu for a bit lets never explain what mib did to him (you know this, i know this)
3. there's explosives on the plane but i'm going to kill you all on the submarine but i'm going to bring you to the plane first...
4. nobody is guarding the submarine at all, they are hiding in the bushes instead.
5. the plane is wired with explosives but the submarine is not even inside a fence that can keep smokey out, or if it is nobody has bothered to turn the fence back on.
6. as already mentioned, lapidus dies and nobody says anything.

can't believe they haven't killed off claire yet, she is so boring. the flashforwards are a major time drain too, it's like their big self indulgent we write characters jizzfest but actually they don't have the time in episodes to do a half decent action plot with these stupid fucking oblique as a punch in the face "now character a feels like character b did BACK IN SEASON 3"

and yeah 7. jun and sin speaking english "fuck it darling i learned english, we might as well abandon our native tongue, after all 'i love you' is more iconic for this dramatic death scene."

It would have been cool for Hurley to swim back in and say "she says your english is awesome!"

xp
^ this, particularly #4 - why did they wait until most of them got in the sub before firing? Were they just trying to take out Locke/making sure the candidates got to safety?

#6 not sure Lapidus is definitely dead... (that's not a spoiler, I'm just guessing)

re: sayid - well, honestly one of his constant character traits in the show since the beginning is that he can be really good or evil, depending on what people tell him to do... i guess him sacrificing himself was to prove that overall he was good after all?

plane thing just barely made sense - since that was their original plan and he wanted to scare them off from the plane, he had to take them there first (and for some reason keep Claire alive, b/c she's not a candidate?). they DID mention that there was no security at both the sub and the plane though, as both seemed to be traps, but yeah, there's no plausible reason why they would wait to fire on them until they got into the sub (aside from just arriving? doubtful)

sun/jin english was stupid but i'll grant it as one of those lame-o broader audience concessions

don't want to believe lapidus and jin are dead, but it's pretty damn likely with only 2 episodes + the finale left

oh no jin and sun are dead

what indelible characters, such a shame

hurley reduced to a sobbing mop of hair pretty cool i thought

4. nobody is guarding the submarine at all, they are hiding in the bushes instead.

lol

p much the same bushes the candidates advanced through

this tirade of hate makes me quite sad tbh

and then i join in

this was better than the last ep, which was one of the worst ever

i did kinda enjoy this one mostly but i have no fucking idea why. what is even the point of having kate shot etc.

hope ben, richard and miles are just sat in a hot tub on another secret dharma station puffing on cigars.

what is even the point of having kate shot etc.

ha. yeah i hadn't even thought of this. no-one thinks she will die this way, do they?

idk this show's discourse about faith has become this meta thing about the many unresolved plotlines etc. we are all alpert in that one ep.

what is even the point of having kate shot etc.

like i said upthread, to fill me with fleeting hope

i thought considering they killed a couple of people, and considering it was clear from a point that the sub was gonna blow, i really feel you wanted the sub to go fucking KEBLAMMO and really explode, not this crappy pop gun explosion into sayid's ribcage and a slow watery grave.

i mean to get the sense of mib as evil i think you really wanted a horrifying death, the trailer for this ep had people screaming as if the sub was dark, horrible, burning, full of death.

not to sound too sinister but seriously, it lacked impact as an ep where people died, the scene with jin and sun was sad but it was rushed. i just feel like i wanted some towering inferno and the flames reflected in locke's psychotic pupils.

as it is mib just seems kind of thuggish...not evil. i mean by now don't we want him to be a total angel of death terror machine?

the sub explosion didn't even seem like a crisis, surely they could channel people's fear of the fucking horrible mental confusion a sub sinking would invoke, the blind panic, the disorientation. they were all really collected and only couldn't escape cos sun was stuck.

anyway i thought the whole thing in the black rock was Jack and Hurley couldn't be killed period because they were CANDIDATES -- if Sun and Jin both died does that mean that's bullshit or that they'd been ruled out as candidates by some random logic in the interim?

Think it's pretty obvious by now that Jack is the only one who can't be killed period, think Sayid knew what he was talking about when he told him to go find Desmond.

I kind of love scenes in which several major characters die in quick succession, but Lapidus's death was so dumb it was kinda lol. If he doesn't come back, I really have no idea what the point was of the island magically making him pilot the Ajira flight back.

Also trying to work out what the point was of Widmore kidnapping Jin, but that scene looked pretty final.

The flashforwards are definitely going somewhere but I wish they'd hurry the fuck up and get there.

surely they could channel people's fear of the fucking horrible mental confusion a sub sinking would invoke, the blind panic, the disorientation. they were all really collected

This didn't happen on an about-to-explode freighter either.

I really have no idea what the point was of the island magically making him pilot the Ajira flight back

It was all so they could give him the line "We're not going to Guam, are we?" and then they were stuck carrying him along for the duration of the season.

i forgot this too the first time around - Widmore kidnapped Jin to find the energy pockets marked on the old Dharma map

xp tbf it worked all right, just that six of them had to survive and you knew this from like half a season before

The Widmore/Desmond stuff is the one mystery I still really care about, like how does Widmore know what's going to happen? How is Desmond so special? The Jacob/Smokey ep has the potential to be illuminating but in all sorts of terrible ways. So of the people who are left, I reckon:

Jack: OMG future Jacob god type dude
Desmond/Widmore: Mystical time travel shit
Kate/Sawyer: Adam & Eve
Hurley: Gets to actually go home
Richard & Ben: Actually kill Smokey, and probably die as well
Miles: Cannon fodder

place yer wagers!

i did actually think the sub was gonna blow up and that Jack and co would have to cross from alt line to the real world.

Dudes, what if the whole thing resolves with Walt creating a best-selling graphic novel? Maybe the plane crash was real, but the rest of it was just his teenage mind embellishing an uneventful story?

Walt a little too young to be dropping refs to dead philosophers and jamming to Iggy.

Richard is immortal.

I think New Jacob (whoever that might be) will give him the choice to die and he will choose to continue to serve goodness and light or whatever.

It would explain many a loose end, though. xp

I forgot Claire: turns out to have broken the circle of ash and let Smokey out of the cabin. And also has an excruciating scene involving the mystical child in the jungle.

I think Claire and Kate will have a big fight at some point.

If you guys really want to see the worst finale ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxI_UwYThgU

Claire: turns out to have broken the circle of ash and let Smokey out of the cabin

don't think this works because Smokey approached her in the jungle as Christian

oh no jin and sun are dead

what indelible characters, such a shame

― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, May 5, 2010 5:35 PM (3 hours ago)

lol

I really have no idea what the point was of the island magically making him pilot the Ajira flight back

I think we're still confusing mystical forces on the island. Jacob probably wanted Frank there for some reason, and MIB either wanted him dead or didn't care. It's not like MIB plays along with what the island wants.

I've compiled all of the deaths of the Oceanic 815 passengers. Most of this is taken from http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Flight_815_Crew_and_Passengers

324 people on board

253 died instantly
Pilot killed by Smokey
Gary Troup(e) pulled into turbine
Eddie Mars had fatal injuries and was euthanized by Jack
4 more died from injuries
1 carried away by riptide
Boone fell off a cliff
Scott killed, probably by Ethan
Arzt blown up by nitroglycerin
Nathan (tailie) had neck snapped by Goodwin
Shannon shot by Ana Lucia
Ana Lucia and Libby shot by Michael
Eko killed by Smokey
Nikki and Paulo buried alive
Charlie drowned in the Looking Glass by Mikhail
3 or 4 killed by Keamy & co ("Stay in the house!")
Michael and 3 extras died when the freighter exploded
Frogurt and 16 more killed by flaming arrow attacks
2 extras blown up in 1954
Locke strangled by Ben
Sayid blown up by Smokey's bomb
Jin and Sun drowned on the sub

Who's left: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Claire, Walt, Cindy, Emma and Zach (the kids with Cindy), Rose and Bernard (maybe), and Aaron was born. 10 background Tailies presumed alive and following MIB.

Actually MIBs followers ran off after the Widmore bombs, so those last must be in the jungle somewheres.