Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

When Ilana and Bram went to the cabin they were all 'oh shit someone broke the circle,' I thought Hurley may have kicked it when he came across the cabin? Or when Ben & Locke went to the cabin (the first time - when the crewperson sat in "Jacob's" chair and said help me) - I remember Locke picking up some ash and rubbing it to his fingers quizzically but can't remember if he "broke" the circle then.. or while they were running out of the cabin once the crazy stuff happened..

the MIB inside the cabin is like the head or tail part of MIB that got sectioned off.

Ben told Locke Jacob was in the cabin originally.. This was before we knew the foot was anything other than a broken statue.. But it appears it could have contained the Smoke Monster at the time (doesn't make a ton of sense since we saw the monster in the first episode, long before ash circle was broken..) OH, LOST.

Didn't it keep Jacob inside, not MIB?

Just for the sake of argument, let's say that's true. If so, how? Who put the ring there? And why would Ilana be concerned that the ring was broken? Who broke the ring? Why would she want Jacob to be locked in a 30 year-old cabin, without his loom? What was he doing in there? It just seems weird and arbitrary to me. How long was he in there? Was he in there when he visited people off-island?

I'm thinking the reason we don't see locke transform into smokey is that smokey is like a detachable sidecar of MIB

I basically want them to spring for the CG that lets us see Locke riding a cloud of smoke like a flying surfboard.

haha yeah. Last night when Locke was on the pier being shot at, my friend said 'why doesn’t he turn into Smokey?!' and I said because they don't have the budget for that ;)

doesn't make a ton of sense since we saw the monster in the first episode, long before ash circle was broken..

We don't know when the circle was broken, right? Illana said that "he" hadn't been in the cabin for a long time. She was probably checking MIB's prison cell after finding Locke's body tipped her off that there were doings afoot. Of course she also said that someone/thing else had been living there, so whatever. LOST.

Very true, could have been broken long before!

probably means nothing but interesting coincidence noted in another forum (glosses over Lapidus.. hoping he washes ashore a la Jin. Maybe they'll find him once they're in the outrigger being shot at by their past selves?:

Surviving candidates (+Kate) = those captured by others at end of S2.

Those who died = those on the Elizabeth going to save them.

actually locke being soaking wet could be why he can't smoke-on. maybe his final form will be dharma shark. trapped eating dharma fish around sunken island.

xp i have to admit i do love the fact that, while you could write off some of it as easy writing, this whole season is a massive remix/re-appropriation of major events and themes over the last five years - like what you just said is probably an intentional coincidence

I was wondering why people didn't turn to Locke and say 'hey, if you're invulnerable and you want to keep us all alive, can you take out whoever's in that sub?'

Just tossing that on the mile-high pile of scratching-head material we've amassed here

Sawyer wanted Locke kept back so Doc could shove him in the water.

We don't know when the circle was broken, right?

We saw it before and after it was broken.

when did we see it before it was broken? First time we saw it iirc was Locke picking some up and going "Huh, ash! Weird" - we didn't pan to full circle to see if it was unbroken (though it is not impossible to infer it was intact since there was someone in the chair in the cabin..)

man i get so happy every time i think theyre actually going to finally kill kate (three times this ep) and then they pull the rug out from under me again

^^otm

the last 'Tuesday' episode has a semi-spoilery title that makes me hope Kate will bite it, but Lost hates me, so she will probably emerge immortal

when did we see it before it was broken? First time we saw it iirc was Locke picking some up and going "Huh, ash! Weird" - we didn't pan to full circle to see if it was unbroken (though it is not impossible to infer it was intact since there was someone in the chair in the cabin..)

Fine, we may not see it broken, but Ben goes to visit the cabin with some regularity, so it seems safe to assume that it is broken sometime between the Oceanic flight and the moment when he notices that it's broken, right? And given that Locke looks at the ring and it appears intact, and Ben walks across it when it is intact and even points the ring out to John if I recall correctly, wouldn't that suggest that it's probably intact even then? Because when it gets broken, it seems like Ben spots it immediately.

I don't know if I'd assume too much about this... The ash has specifically been shown to keep Smokey OUT out of what's in the ring - it's quite possible that Locke broke the ash surrounding the house, allowing Smokey to come in and impersonate Jacob that night. Ilana and co.'s remarks last year imply that it was a residence for Jacob at one point in the past, and Ben's limited knowledge of Jacob seems to corroborate that.

Oh rad, next week's episode is the one with no main characters.

just dudes in robes

Hurley says he cannot find the first aid kit. It can be seen in the control room next to Frank.Hurley says he cannot find the first aid kit. It can be seen in the control room next to Frank.

Hurley is working for Locke!!

Agree with everyone who said the Sun & Jin storyline was just pissed away this season. I'm beginning to hate this show.

oops btw Hurley says he cannot find the first aid kit. It can be seen in the control room next to Frank.

Locke having a great relationship with his dad in the alt - just because his dad was buttering him up for some kidney-grabbing? They didn't mention whether Locke had only recently been reunited with him; I would expect this is the case though. Guess it doesn't really matter.

"Sun & Jin storyline was just pissed away this season"
to be fair, I can't see them raising the bar without having the daughter being born looking exactly like Hurley or her dad pulling off his face to reveal that he's really Widmore or some craziness like that.

I mean how would you guys write it? (I'd have them giving birth to Hurley, and Widmore is her dad)

Just giving them some decent dialogue for a start. I'm pretty sure they both used to have personalities.

One other thing - I really don't care whether Locke has the surgery and walks again in the alt. Why is this suddenly like the most important plot point in the alt?

I think it's because it's the inevitable culmination of the Jack-Locke role reversal thing they have going. Locke will walk again and escape the cycle of self-loathing (was Jack), and Jack will have faith in himself and his purpose in life (was Locke). That was really terribly worded but I hope that makes sense.

^sounds right

only real regret about the sun and jin storyline is that they gave that exactly ONE episode to be together after the last two seasons of angst. and i liked their alt-storyline.

I guess the deal is that smokey couldn't leave the island or spread evil or wtf ever until everyone including Jacob was dead? So he manufactured Jacob's death and now is killing the rest of them? Because otherwise he could have left before Alpert arrived. But does that mean he needs to kill Desmond and Widmore and Tina Fey and all the chumps who ran into the forest as well? Does he not need to kill the spooky little boy? What about Rose & Bernard!

i'd have said it's to do with candidates...no jacob=no more candidates and a finite number left for mib to kill off. as much as putting logic on this show feels insane this seems pretty clear.

few really stupid bits in this episode.

1. oh we don't have enough time to show how utterly shit widmore's "on/off switch" electric fence was, lets just say "sayid disabled it".
2. sayid is evil and twisted oh no actually he just had a moral flu for a bit lets never explain what mib did to him (you know this, i know this)
3. there's explosives on the plane but i'm going to kill you all on the submarine but i'm going to bring you to the plane first...
4. nobody is guarding the submarine at all, they are hiding in the bushes instead.
5. the plane is wired with explosives but the submarine is not even inside a fence that can keep smokey out, or if it is nobody has bothered to turn the fence back on.
6. as already mentioned, lapidus dies and nobody says anything.

can't believe they haven't killed off claire yet, she is so boring. the flashforwards are a major time drain too, it's like their big self indulgent we write characters jizzfest but actually they don't have the time in episodes to do a half decent action plot with these stupid fucking oblique as a punch in the face "now character a feels like character b did BACK IN SEASON 3"

and yeah 7. jun and sin speaking english "fuck it darling i learned english, we might as well abandon our native tongue, after all 'i love you' is more iconic for this dramatic death scene."

It would have been cool for Hurley to swim back in and say "she says your english is awesome!"

xp
^ this, particularly #4 - why did they wait until most of them got in the sub before firing? Were they just trying to take out Locke/making sure the candidates got to safety?

#6 not sure Lapidus is definitely dead... (that's not a spoiler, I'm just guessing)

re: sayid - well, honestly one of his constant character traits in the show since the beginning is that he can be really good or evil, depending on what people tell him to do... i guess him sacrificing himself was to prove that overall he was good after all?

plane thing just barely made sense - since that was their original plan and he wanted to scare them off from the plane, he had to take them there first (and for some reason keep Claire alive, b/c she's not a candidate?). they DID mention that there was no security at both the sub and the plane though, as both seemed to be traps, but yeah, there's no plausible reason why they would wait to fire on them until they got into the sub (aside from just arriving? doubtful)

sun/jin english was stupid but i'll grant it as one of those lame-o broader audience concessions

don't want to believe lapidus and jin are dead, but it's pretty damn likely with only 2 episodes + the finale left

oh no jin and sun are dead

what indelible characters, such a shame

hurley reduced to a sobbing mop of hair pretty cool i thought

4. nobody is guarding the submarine at all, they are hiding in the bushes instead.

lol

p much the same bushes the candidates advanced through

this tirade of hate makes me quite sad tbh

and then i join in

this was better than the last ep, which was one of the worst ever

i did kinda enjoy this one mostly but i have no fucking idea why. what is even the point of having kate shot etc.

hope ben, richard and miles are just sat in a hot tub on another secret dharma station puffing on cigars.

what is even the point of having kate shot etc.

ha. yeah i hadn't even thought of this. no-one thinks she will die this way, do they?

idk this show's discourse about faith has become this meta thing about the many unresolved plotlines etc. we are all alpert in that one ep.

what is even the point of having kate shot etc.

like i said upthread, to fill me with fleeting hope

i thought considering they killed a couple of people, and considering it was clear from a point that the sub was gonna blow, i really feel you wanted the sub to go fucking KEBLAMMO and really explode, not this crappy pop gun explosion into sayid's ribcage and a slow watery grave.

i mean to get the sense of mib as evil i think you really wanted a horrifying death, the trailer for this ep had people screaming as if the sub was dark, horrible, burning, full of death.

not to sound too sinister but seriously, it lacked impact as an ep where people died, the scene with jin and sun was sad but it was rushed. i just feel like i wanted some towering inferno and the flames reflected in locke's psychotic pupils.

as it is mib just seems kind of thuggish...not evil. i mean by now don't we want him to be a total angel of death terror machine?

the sub explosion didn't even seem like a crisis, surely they could channel people's fear of the fucking horrible mental confusion a sub sinking would invoke, the blind panic, the disorientation. they were all really collected and only couldn't escape cos sun was stuck.

anyway i thought the whole thing in the black rock was Jack and Hurley couldn't be killed period because they were CANDIDATES -- if Sun and Jin both died does that mean that's bullshit or that they'd been ruled out as candidates by some random logic in the interim?

Think it's pretty obvious by now that Jack is the only one who can't be killed period, think Sayid knew what he was talking about when he told him to go find Desmond.

I kind of love scenes in which several major characters die in quick succession, but Lapidus's death was so dumb it was kinda lol. If he doesn't come back, I really have no idea what the point was of the island magically making him pilot the Ajira flight back.

Also trying to work out what the point was of Widmore kidnapping Jin, but that scene looked pretty final.

The flashforwards are definitely going somewhere but I wish they'd hurry the fuck up and get there.

surely they could channel people's fear of the fucking horrible mental confusion a sub sinking would invoke, the blind panic, the disorientation. they were all really collected

This didn't happen on an about-to-explode freighter either.

I really have no idea what the point was of the island magically making him pilot the Ajira flight back

It was all so they could give him the line "We're not going to Guam, are we?" and then they were stuck carrying him along for the duration of the season.