Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

I'm still in jaw-dropped awe at how poorly they handled the Jin/Sun story arc over the past TWO seasons. I'm... truly... speechless.

I guess the deal is that smokey couldn't leave the island or spread evil or wtf ever until everyone including Jacob was dead? So he manufactured Jacob's death and now is killing the rest of them? Because otherwise he could have left before Alpert arrived. But does that mean he needs to kill Desmond and Widmore and Tina Fey and all the chumps who ran into the forest as well? Does he not need to kill the spooky little boy? What about Rose & Bernard!

my wife was pretty appalled that Sun didn't scream "go escape and raise our fucking daughter that you haven't met yet" and more and more i'm feeling the same. maybe they can kill off Claire too and just put all the kids in an orphanage with Walt for the spin-off.

okay maybe I'll get ribbed for this.. (sawyer's horse, I earned that..) but what if Adam and Eve are Claire and Jack? She doesn't appear to be going anywhere.. Sawyer, Hurley and Kate either die or somehow escape with Widmore? Locke turns the wheel to escape into the Sahara.. and poof! Jack and Claire stuck back in time with nothing to do but die (and collect black and white stones).

it's not jin's daughter i thought

this is why i hate these kinds of things that come down to whether a character can or can't be killed by certain people -- the responsibility for those deaths suddenly shifting to Sawyer because he sped up the bomb's countdown slightly is ridiculous, but that's just the kind of things the writers would hinge it all on.
yeah, this is ultimately what bothers me too. Tricking somebody else into killing other people (especially if it's basically an accident) should basically count as the same thing as killing them yourself. I mean, if Locke sent a monkey with a loaded gun into the sub would that have been an acceptable way to kill them too?

Nah, it's Jin's baby. Speaking of babies, do you remember when this show was always about babies?

Total waste of time! Surprise!

Wasn't she preggers from english tutor?

BTW i'm fine with locke sending a dharma shark with a gun to finish candidates off.

xp to babies/waste of time - I read a good theory on that: something about how Jacob's game appears to be 'bring people to the island, have them choose good even if it means death' and babies aren't capable of that choice, and as such, shouldn't be on the island - bam! No pregnancies.

Anyway did it already get posted here that the finale was extended to 2.5 hours? Yay!

Wasn't she preggers from english tutor?

Nah, Juliet tested her and it was Jin's.

I mean, if Locke sent a monkey with a loaded gun into the sub would that have been an acceptable way to kill them too?

Only if Sawyer had taken the gun from the monkey, said "I know how to disarm this thing" and then sprayed the room with gunfire, repeating "Oops!" again and again.

xp to babies/waste of time - I read a good theory on that: something about how Jacob's game appears to be 'bring people to the island, have them choose good even if it means death' and babies aren't capable of that choice, and as such, shouldn't be on the island - bam! No pregnancies.

If that's the case, why bring a pregnant lady to the island, or those two little kids from the temple, or etc.

poor english tutor! that guy got no breaks. except having to pay child support I suppose.

(xp) no idea - but bear in mind the children were taken into "protective custody" almost immediately when they got onto the island, the others tried to take Aaron too.. So perhaps the temple was thought to be the one place safe enough for the few kids that did make it onto the island despite all odds.. even Walt was only given back to Michael because it was obvious he was getting the hell off the island..

Kids on the island get all sorts of weird island powers -- but Walt creeped them out with his superpowers already formed.

Remember when there was an ash ring around the cabin that apparently did something? It doesn't seem like that meant anything.

Aaron didn't seem to have any powers.

Wasn't Ethan born on the island? He didn't have any powers.

The ash kept MIB inside.
Ethan had superspeed and superhealing and supercreep.
Aaron had power to turn Claire crazy.

didn't Ethan kidnap 2 people and then run away with them in season 1? He obviously had super strength

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The ash kept MIB inside.

Sure seemed like he moved around the island in smoke form pretty easily.

Oh, and in apparition form.

Didn't it keep Jacob inside, not MIB?

He obviously had super strength

I don't think this is true. He was good at combat, but so were all of the others.

But wasn't Jacob in the foot?

When Ilana and Bram went to the cabin they were all 'oh shit someone broke the circle,' I thought Hurley may have kicked it when he came across the cabin? Or when Ben & Locke went to the cabin (the first time - when the crewperson sat in "Jacob's" chair and said help me) - I remember Locke picking up some ash and rubbing it to his fingers quizzically but can't remember if he "broke" the circle then.. or while they were running out of the cabin once the crazy stuff happened..

the MIB inside the cabin is like the head or tail part of MIB that got sectioned off.

Ben told Locke Jacob was in the cabin originally.. This was before we knew the foot was anything other than a broken statue.. But it appears it could have contained the Smoke Monster at the time (doesn't make a ton of sense since we saw the monster in the first episode, long before ash circle was broken..) OH, LOST.

Didn't it keep Jacob inside, not MIB?

Just for the sake of argument, let's say that's true. If so, how? Who put the ring there? And why would Ilana be concerned that the ring was broken? Who broke the ring? Why would she want Jacob to be locked in a 30 year-old cabin, without his loom? What was he doing in there? It just seems weird and arbitrary to me. How long was he in there? Was he in there when he visited people off-island?

I'm thinking the reason we don't see locke transform into smokey is that smokey is like a detachable sidecar of MIB

I basically want them to spring for the CG that lets us see Locke riding a cloud of smoke like a flying surfboard.

haha yeah. Last night when Locke was on the pier being shot at, my friend said 'why doesn’t he turn into Smokey?!' and I said because they don't have the budget for that ;)

doesn't make a ton of sense since we saw the monster in the first episode, long before ash circle was broken..

We don't know when the circle was broken, right? Illana said that "he" hadn't been in the cabin for a long time. She was probably checking MIB's prison cell after finding Locke's body tipped her off that there were doings afoot. Of course she also said that someone/thing else had been living there, so whatever. LOST.

Very true, could have been broken long before!

probably means nothing but interesting coincidence noted in another forum (glosses over Lapidus.. hoping he washes ashore a la Jin. Maybe they'll find him once they're in the outrigger being shot at by their past selves?:

Surviving candidates (+Kate) = those captured by others at end of S2.

Those who died = those on the Elizabeth going to save them.

actually locke being soaking wet could be why he can't smoke-on. maybe his final form will be dharma shark. trapped eating dharma fish around sunken island.

xp i have to admit i do love the fact that, while you could write off some of it as easy writing, this whole season is a massive remix/re-appropriation of major events and themes over the last five years - like what you just said is probably an intentional coincidence

I was wondering why people didn't turn to Locke and say 'hey, if you're invulnerable and you want to keep us all alive, can you take out whoever's in that sub?'

Just tossing that on the mile-high pile of scratching-head material we've amassed here

Sawyer wanted Locke kept back so Doc could shove him in the water.

We don't know when the circle was broken, right?

We saw it before and after it was broken.

when did we see it before it was broken? First time we saw it iirc was Locke picking some up and going "Huh, ash! Weird" - we didn't pan to full circle to see if it was unbroken (though it is not impossible to infer it was intact since there was someone in the chair in the cabin..)

man i get so happy every time i think theyre actually going to finally kill kate (three times this ep) and then they pull the rug out from under me again

^^otm

the last 'Tuesday' episode has a semi-spoilery title that makes me hope Kate will bite it, but Lost hates me, so she will probably emerge immortal

when did we see it before it was broken? First time we saw it iirc was Locke picking some up and going "Huh, ash! Weird" - we didn't pan to full circle to see if it was unbroken (though it is not impossible to infer it was intact since there was someone in the chair in the cabin..)

Fine, we may not see it broken, but Ben goes to visit the cabin with some regularity, so it seems safe to assume that it is broken sometime between the Oceanic flight and the moment when he notices that it's broken, right? And given that Locke looks at the ring and it appears intact, and Ben walks across it when it is intact and even points the ring out to John if I recall correctly, wouldn't that suggest that it's probably intact even then? Because when it gets broken, it seems like Ben spots it immediately.

I don't know if I'd assume too much about this... The ash has specifically been shown to keep Smokey OUT out of what's in the ring - it's quite possible that Locke broke the ash surrounding the house, allowing Smokey to come in and impersonate Jacob that night. Ilana and co.'s remarks last year imply that it was a residence for Jacob at one point in the past, and Ben's limited knowledge of Jacob seems to corroborate that.

Oh rad, next week's episode is the one with no main characters.

just dudes in robes

Hurley says he cannot find the first aid kit. It can be seen in the control room next to Frank.Hurley says he cannot find the first aid kit. It can be seen in the control room next to Frank.

Hurley is working for Locke!!

Agree with everyone who said the Sun & Jin storyline was just pissed away this season. I'm beginning to hate this show.

oops btw Hurley says he cannot find the first aid kit. It can be seen in the control room next to Frank.

Locke having a great relationship with his dad in the alt - just because his dad was buttering him up for some kidney-grabbing? They didn't mention whether Locke had only recently been reunited with him; I would expect this is the case though. Guess it doesn't really matter.

"Sun & Jin storyline was just pissed away this season"
to be fair, I can't see them raising the bar without having the daughter being born looking exactly like Hurley or her dad pulling off his face to reveal that he's really Widmore or some craziness like that.