Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

this show has been mad cheesy to me lately. Not that is hasn’t been in the past but damn I’m just not feeling it

im going to be the only one who is incredibly happy about this episode arent i.

"AH HOPE YOOO HAD THE TAHM OF YORE LAAAF!"

pretty sure i disliked this ep, but i watched it at like 3am last night after 11 hours of driving so who knows really

so dead kwons is the first kind of palpable indication that sidewaysverse is conclusively better for some of the characters huh?

I liked this episode, even though the whole bomb "he can't kill us" thing didn't really make sense to me. Are they implying that flocke physically can't kill them (and thus the bomb was fake-wired in a way where attempting to disarm it actually armed it) or that they island won't allow the candidates to be killed by flocke (bomb was wired normally but just would have malfunctioned and not blown up if left alone)? Either way, flocke did sort of kill Sun, so I guess maybe he can only kill them in indirect ways or something, I don't know.

Really, maybe the last episode should just be Jacob and Man in Black attentively listening and taking notes while that weird kid reads them all these island rules that they have to play by.

I liked this episode, even though the whole bomb "he can't kill us" thing didn't really make sense to me. Are they implying that flocke physically can't kill them (and thus the bomb was fake-wired in a way where attempting to disarm it actually armed it) or that they island won't allow the candidates to be killed by flocke (bomb was wired normally but just would have malfunctioned and not blown up if left alone)? Either way, flocke did sort of kill Sun, so I guess maybe he can only kill them in indirect ways or something, I don't know.

first one. locke didn't kill sun, sawyer did by arming the bomb

I don't blame Sawyer, though.

If Jack, who has rarely if ever had one of his plans work out the way he wanted it to, told you this story about Smokey not being able to kill them and by way of explanation just said "Trust me", would you buy that?

I wonder if Jack regrets making Sun come back so she could die in a submarine.

of course he did, that's he had to feed the ocean with his salty salty baby tears at the end of the episode

first one. locke didn't kill sun, sawyer did by arming the bomb

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this is why i hate these kinds of things that come down to whether a character can or can't be killed by certain people -- the responsibility for those deaths suddenly shifting to Sawyer because he sped up the bomb's countdown slightly is ridiculous, but that's just the kind of things the writers would hinge it all on.

duh this show is D.U.M.B.

anyway i thought the whole thing in the black rock was Jack and Hurley couldn't be killed period because they were CANDIDATES -- if Sun and Jin both died does that mean that's bullshit or that they'd been ruled out as candidates by some random logic in the interim?

Christian appearing right before Michael died is never going to be explained is it

Oh don't worry that's on Raymond Chandler Jr's list of stuff that gets explained next week.

I'd also like to know how Christian visited Jack off-island.

(and set off the smoke alarm!)

I'm still in jaw-dropped awe at how poorly they handled the Jin/Sun story arc over the past TWO seasons. I'm... truly... speechless.

I guess the deal is that smokey couldn't leave the island or spread evil or wtf ever until everyone including Jacob was dead? So he manufactured Jacob's death and now is killing the rest of them? Because otherwise he could have left before Alpert arrived. But does that mean he needs to kill Desmond and Widmore and Tina Fey and all the chumps who ran into the forest as well? Does he not need to kill the spooky little boy? What about Rose & Bernard!

my wife was pretty appalled that Sun didn't scream "go escape and raise our fucking daughter that you haven't met yet" and more and more i'm feeling the same. maybe they can kill off Claire too and just put all the kids in an orphanage with Walt for the spin-off.

okay maybe I'll get ribbed for this.. (sawyer's horse, I earned that..) but what if Adam and Eve are Claire and Jack? She doesn't appear to be going anywhere.. Sawyer, Hurley and Kate either die or somehow escape with Widmore? Locke turns the wheel to escape into the Sahara.. and poof! Jack and Claire stuck back in time with nothing to do but die (and collect black and white stones).

it's not jin's daughter i thought

this is why i hate these kinds of things that come down to whether a character can or can't be killed by certain people -- the responsibility for those deaths suddenly shifting to Sawyer because he sped up the bomb's countdown slightly is ridiculous, but that's just the kind of things the writers would hinge it all on.
yeah, this is ultimately what bothers me too. Tricking somebody else into killing other people (especially if it's basically an accident) should basically count as the same thing as killing them yourself. I mean, if Locke sent a monkey with a loaded gun into the sub would that have been an acceptable way to kill them too?

Nah, it's Jin's baby. Speaking of babies, do you remember when this show was always about babies?

Total waste of time! Surprise!

Wasn't she preggers from english tutor?

BTW i'm fine with locke sending a dharma shark with a gun to finish candidates off.

xp to babies/waste of time - I read a good theory on that: something about how Jacob's game appears to be 'bring people to the island, have them choose good even if it means death' and babies aren't capable of that choice, and as such, shouldn't be on the island - bam! No pregnancies.

Anyway did it already get posted here that the finale was extended to 2.5 hours? Yay!

Wasn't she preggers from english tutor?

Nah, Juliet tested her and it was Jin's.

I mean, if Locke sent a monkey with a loaded gun into the sub would that have been an acceptable way to kill them too?

Only if Sawyer had taken the gun from the monkey, said "I know how to disarm this thing" and then sprayed the room with gunfire, repeating "Oops!" again and again.

xp to babies/waste of time - I read a good theory on that: something about how Jacob's game appears to be 'bring people to the island, have them choose good even if it means death' and babies aren't capable of that choice, and as such, shouldn't be on the island - bam! No pregnancies.

If that's the case, why bring a pregnant lady to the island, or those two little kids from the temple, or etc.

poor english tutor! that guy got no breaks. except having to pay child support I suppose.

(xp) no idea - but bear in mind the children were taken into "protective custody" almost immediately when they got onto the island, the others tried to take Aaron too.. So perhaps the temple was thought to be the one place safe enough for the few kids that did make it onto the island despite all odds.. even Walt was only given back to Michael because it was obvious he was getting the hell off the island..

Kids on the island get all sorts of weird island powers -- but Walt creeped them out with his superpowers already formed.

Remember when there was an ash ring around the cabin that apparently did something? It doesn't seem like that meant anything.

Aaron didn't seem to have any powers.

Wasn't Ethan born on the island? He didn't have any powers.

The ash kept MIB inside.
Ethan had superspeed and superhealing and supercreep.
Aaron had power to turn Claire crazy.

didn't Ethan kidnap 2 people and then run away with them in season 1? He obviously had super strength

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The ash kept MIB inside.

Sure seemed like he moved around the island in smoke form pretty easily.

Oh, and in apparition form.

Didn't it keep Jacob inside, not MIB?

He obviously had super strength

I don't think this is true. He was good at combat, but so were all of the others.

But wasn't Jacob in the foot?

When Ilana and Bram went to the cabin they were all 'oh shit someone broke the circle,' I thought Hurley may have kicked it when he came across the cabin? Or when Ben & Locke went to the cabin (the first time - when the crewperson sat in "Jacob's" chair and said help me) - I remember Locke picking up some ash and rubbing it to his fingers quizzically but can't remember if he "broke" the circle then.. or while they were running out of the cabin once the crazy stuff happened..

the MIB inside the cabin is like the head or tail part of MIB that got sectioned off.

Ben told Locke Jacob was in the cabin originally.. This was before we knew the foot was anything other than a broken statue.. But it appears it could have contained the Smoke Monster at the time (doesn't make a ton of sense since we saw the monster in the first episode, long before ash circle was broken..) OH, LOST.

Didn't it keep Jacob inside, not MIB?

Just for the sake of argument, let's say that's true. If so, how? Who put the ring there? And why would Ilana be concerned that the ring was broken? Who broke the ring? Why would she want Jacob to be locked in a 30 year-old cabin, without his loom? What was he doing in there? It just seems weird and arbitrary to me. How long was he in there? Was he in there when he visited people off-island?

I'm thinking the reason we don't see locke transform into smokey is that smokey is like a detachable sidecar of MIB

I basically want them to spring for the CG that lets us see Locke riding a cloud of smoke like a flying surfboard.

haha yeah. Last night when Locke was on the pier being shot at, my friend said 'why doesn’t he turn into Smokey?!' and I said because they don't have the budget for that ;)

doesn't make a ton of sense since we saw the monster in the first episode, long before ash circle was broken..

We don't know when the circle was broken, right? Illana said that "he" hadn't been in the cabin for a long time. She was probably checking MIB's prison cell after finding Locke's body tipped her off that there were doings afoot. Of course she also said that someone/thing else had been living there, so whatever. LOST.

Very true, could have been broken long before!

probably means nothing but interesting coincidence noted in another forum (glosses over Lapidus.. hoping he washes ashore a la Jin. Maybe they'll find him once they're in the outrigger being shot at by their past selves?:

Surviving candidates (+Kate) = those captured by others at end of S2.

Those who died = those on the Elizabeth going to save them.