He was also one of Vern's sons on Oz.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 11:34 (sixteen years ago)
that episode probably made me more mad than any other in the season. horrible stupid death for 2 major characters, possible/likely death for another major character and a popular minor character kind of quickly tossed in there as part of one of the dumbest sequences in the show's history.
also, it was broad daylight when they got in the sub, and pitch black out by the time they swam back up to the beach. how long do you reckon they were down there, a half hour tops?
― ignotamus j. reilly (some dude), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 12:11 (sixteen years ago)
This isn't really the first time you've noticed a bizarre time inconsistency on the "island", right? It is maddening though, I agree.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 12:20 (sixteen years ago)
eh it just blows my mind how boneheaded they can be about basic logistic stuff sometimes while trumpeting that they have a staffer whose whole job is keeping an eye on continuity.
― ignotamus j. reilly (some dude), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 12:41 (sixteen years ago)
That staffer's name is Raymond Chandler Jr though.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 12:42 (sixteen years ago)
OTM.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 12:55 (sixteen years ago)
lols
― if he wants to cry to the night sky that's what he'll fucking do (reddening), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 13:01 (sixteen years ago)
for some reason it really bothers me that the kwons were talking to each other in English. Like, all their lives they've always talked to each other in Korean and now that they both speak english they just switch.
― peter in montreal, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 13:16 (sixteen years ago)
I think Daniel Dae Kim was losing his accent a little bit when he was shouting, too.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 13:24 (sixteen years ago)
that whole scene was seriously lacking ll cool j and a shark.
http://kidsdontgetit.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/deep-blue-sea.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 13:28 (sixteen years ago)
i thought it was awesome!
― cutty, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 13:49 (sixteen years ago)
Worse series finale: the one that I am imagining for Lost or the actual one that was aired for Seinfield?
― random non sequitur (KMS), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 15:53 (sixteen years ago)
Perhaps the final scene will be Bob Newhart waking up next to Suzanne Pleshette.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 15:54 (sixteen years ago)
Seinfeld was at least nihilistic and anti-plot enough that there was something kind of appropriate about their finale
― ignotamus j. reilly (some dude), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:16 (sixteen years ago)
What pop song should they close the finale with? I'm hoping for "Save It For Later."
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:17 (sixteen years ago)
Island will turn out to have been dream in comatose mind of alt-Anthony Cooper
― s.clover, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:19 (sixteen years ago)
this show has been mad cheesy to me lately. Not that is hasn’t been in the past but damn I’m just not feeling it
― Aerosol, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:23 (sixteen years ago)
im going to be the only one who is incredibly happy about this episode arent i.
― Matt Daemon (jjjusten), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:26 (sixteen years ago)
"AH HOPE YOOO HAD THE TAHM OF YORE LAAAF!"
― random non sequitur (KMS), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:29 (sixteen years ago)
pretty sure i disliked this ep, but i watched it at like 3am last night after 11 hours of driving so who knows really
― rapping about space and shit, floatin’ around in an orgy of screen savers (gbx), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:29 (sixteen years ago)
so dead kwons is the first kind of palpable indication that sidewaysverse is conclusively better for some of the characters huh?
― Matt Daemon (jjjusten), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:38 (sixteen years ago)
I liked this episode, even though the whole bomb "he can't kill us" thing didn't really make sense to me. Are they implying that flocke physically can't kill them (and thus the bomb was fake-wired in a way where attempting to disarm it actually armed it) or that they island won't allow the candidates to be killed by flocke (bomb was wired normally but just would have malfunctioned and not blown up if left alone)? Either way, flocke did sort of kill Sun, so I guess maybe he can only kill them in indirect ways or something, I don't know.
Really, maybe the last episode should just be Jacob and Man in Black attentively listening and taking notes while that weird kid reads them all these island rules that they have to play by.
― peter in montreal, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:57 (sixteen years ago)
first one. locke didn't kill sun, sawyer did by arming the bomb
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:03 (sixteen years ago)
I don't blame Sawyer, though.
If Jack, who has rarely if ever had one of his plans work out the way he wanted it to, told you this story about Smokey not being able to kill them and by way of explanation just said "Trust me", would you buy that?
― ô_o (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:06 (sixteen years ago)
I wonder if Jack regrets making Sun come back so she could die in a submarine.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:07 (sixteen years ago)
of course he did, that's he had to feed the ocean with his salty salty baby tears at the end of the episode
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:09 (sixteen years ago)
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this is why i hate these kinds of things that come down to whether a character can or can't be killed by certain people -- the responsibility for those deaths suddenly shifting to Sawyer because he sped up the bomb's countdown slightly is ridiculous, but that's just the kind of things the writers would hinge it all on.
― ignotamus j. reilly (some dude), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:09 (sixteen years ago)
duh this show is D.U.M.B.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:10 (sixteen years ago)
anyway i thought the whole thing in the black rock was Jack and Hurley couldn't be killed period because they were CANDIDATES -- if Sun and Jin both died does that mean that's bullshit or that they'd been ruled out as candidates by some random logic in the interim?
― ignotamus j. reilly (some dude), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:10 (sixteen years ago)
Christian appearing right before Michael died is never going to be explained is it
― abanana, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:14 (sixteen years ago)
Oh don't worry that's on Raymond Chandler Jr's list of stuff that gets explained next week.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:16 (sixteen years ago)
I'd also like to know how Christian visited Jack off-island.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:17 (sixteen years ago)
(and set off the smoke alarm!)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:18 (sixteen years ago)
I'm still in jaw-dropped awe at how poorly they handled the Jin/Sun story arc over the past TWO seasons. I'm... truly... speechless.
― Mister Jim, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:20 (sixteen years ago)
I guess the deal is that smokey couldn't leave the island or spread evil or wtf ever until everyone including Jacob was dead? So he manufactured Jacob's death and now is killing the rest of them? Because otherwise he could have left before Alpert arrived. But does that mean he needs to kill Desmond and Widmore and Tina Fey and all the chumps who ran into the forest as well? Does he not need to kill the spooky little boy? What about Rose & Bernard!
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:23 (sixteen years ago)
my wife was pretty appalled that Sun didn't scream "go escape and raise our fucking daughter that you haven't met yet" and more and more i'm feeling the same. maybe they can kill off Claire too and just put all the kids in an orphanage with Walt for the spin-off.
― ignotamus j. reilly (some dude), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:24 (sixteen years ago)
okay maybe I'll get ribbed for this.. (sawyer's horse, I earned that..) but what if Adam and Eve are Claire and Jack? She doesn't appear to be going anywhere.. Sawyer, Hurley and Kate either die or somehow escape with Widmore? Locke turns the wheel to escape into the Sahara.. and poof! Jack and Claire stuck back in time with nothing to do but die (and collect black and white stones).
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:26 (sixteen years ago)
it's not jin's daughter i thought
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:26 (sixteen years ago)
this is why i hate these kinds of things that come down to whether a character can or can't be killed by certain people -- the responsibility for those deaths suddenly shifting to Sawyer because he sped up the bomb's countdown slightly is ridiculous, but that's just the kind of things the writers would hinge it all on.yeah, this is ultimately what bothers me too. Tricking somebody else into killing other people (especially if it's basically an accident) should basically count as the same thing as killing them yourself. I mean, if Locke sent a monkey with a loaded gun into the sub would that have been an acceptable way to kill them too?
― peter in montreal, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:28 (sixteen years ago)
Nah, it's Jin's baby. Speaking of babies, do you remember when this show was always about babies?
Total waste of time! Surprise!
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:29 (sixteen years ago)
Wasn't she preggers from english tutor?
BTW i'm fine with locke sending a dharma shark with a gun to finish candidates off.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:31 (sixteen years ago)
xp to babies/waste of time - I read a good theory on that: something about how Jacob's game appears to be 'bring people to the island, have them choose good even if it means death' and babies aren't capable of that choice, and as such, shouldn't be on the island - bam! No pregnancies.
Anyway did it already get posted here that the finale was extended to 2.5 hours? Yay!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:31 (sixteen years ago)
Nah, Juliet tested her and it was Jin's.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:42 (sixteen years ago)
I mean, if Locke sent a monkey with a loaded gun into the sub would that have been an acceptable way to kill them too?
Only if Sawyer had taken the gun from the monkey, said "I know how to disarm this thing" and then sprayed the room with gunfire, repeating "Oops!" again and again.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:43 (sixteen years ago)
If that's the case, why bring a pregnant lady to the island, or those two little kids from the temple, or etc.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:45 (sixteen years ago)
poor english tutor! that guy got no breaks. except having to pay child support I suppose.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:45 (sixteen years ago)
(xp) no idea - but bear in mind the children were taken into "protective custody" almost immediately when they got onto the island, the others tried to take Aaron too.. So perhaps the temple was thought to be the one place safe enough for the few kids that did make it onto the island despite all odds.. even Walt was only given back to Michael because it was obvious he was getting the hell off the island..
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:48 (sixteen years ago)
Kids on the island get all sorts of weird island powers -- but Walt creeped them out with his superpowers already formed.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:51 (sixteen years ago)
Remember when there was an ash ring around the cabin that apparently did something? It doesn't seem like that meant anything.
Aaron didn't seem to have any powers.
Wasn't Ethan born on the island? He didn't have any powers.
― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:55 (sixteen years ago)
The ash kept MIB inside.Ethan had superspeed and superhealing and supercreep.Aaron had power to turn Claire crazy.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:56 (sixteen years ago)