Rolling UK Economy Into The Shitbin Thread

Well presumably this is all still largely related to exposure to US based subprime. Its going to be difficult to even rate, never mind write off, homegrown subprime exposure until it actually goes bad.

Plus the US stuff is still early days, a lot of that is spreading into prime, auto, student debt

Setting up an ISA with the scarborough building society and came across this from august 2006

http://www.scarboroughbs.co.uk/publicrelations/pressreleases/2006/august14_ssm_announce.html

quote: "‘We have a great deal of experience in the sub-prime arena through our existing subsidiaries and we believe this will give us a head start in the non-conforming sector.’"

But I thought there was no subprime in the UK!?

There probably still was in August 2006.

Might explain why their ISA is a notice ISA.

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Cartoon-Mortgage.article.jpg

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aEaHw4s_pqKg&refer=uk

BOE been reading the feds notes?

fuck you BOE, and fuck you the city.

My experience up here in the grim up north at the moment is of being in a recession. Would anybody like to buy a bike? I have plenty, and no takers at the moment.

I desperately need a bike actually. If I were up there Pash I'd know exactly who to buy it from! :/

If only you had a bike to get up to South Shields...

He does orders, if you know what you need.

That whole Bear deal reeks of pre panic

What is incredible to me is that Bear's employees accepted approx. 1/3 of their compensation as shares?? (I would hope that's an average, and that the top fund managers had more like 1/2 and the support and tech people had more like 1/10)

Oh, they should have a bit put away.

Oh no, wait! They don't have plump financial financial cushions!.

A plum cushion, yesterday...

http://www.shopdekko.com/products/630787m.jpg

Wow, it seems like it was only yesterday when they paid their CEO a
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/22/business/22bonus.html4.8 Million bonus. In fact it was a whole 15 months ago. Bet he's kicking himself he didn't get it in cash.

Ooops, fckd up...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/22/business/22bonus.html

finding myself curiously indifferent as to the fate of bear employees :/

Well I'm not sure it's fair that they have to shoulder the burden of risky strategies undertaken by the whizmenschen managers at the top of the pyramid.

Ana amazing fact that I've not seen on any of these threads yet: on Thursday, the chairman of Bear Stearns was participating in the North American Bridge Championships in Detroit. He and his partner were fourth in a field of 130. By Friday, they'd fallen to 26th.

yeh, this is the same guy who took a lot of shit for being away playing golf during some previous crisis.

Is he some distant relation of the Bush family?

^ well wasnt Carlyle one ot the dominoes for bear?

The day Katrina hit New Orleans, Condoleeza Rice bought shoes at Ferragamo and saw a Broadway play.

As SoS Rice isn't that concerned with domestic shit. Not on her beat.

That's true.

every C-level executive is part of the marketing effort!!

ask seth godin!!!

That whole Bear deal reeks of pre panic

-- Dandy Don Weiner, Monday, March 17, 2008 12:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

the spectacular run on Bear's liquidity was the panic... If the same happens to Lehman (however unlikely) the shitbin will burst.

The share prices of the banks got a hammering today. RBS at 304p, HBOS at 460p. It was 1000p+ less than 12 months ago.

HBOS at 460p. It was 1000p+ less than 12 months ago.

We sold at 1087p :)

so.....do we believe that the hbos business this week was all down to 'rogues shorting the market'?

they still went and got their extra funding from the boe, right? even though they told us they didn't need it when they were blaming it on the rogue shorters?

Anyway this is what the banks wanted after Northern Rock, to be able to go get funding in secret. For them to complain now about this, when it was them that wanted transparency moved is ridiculuous. more likely that it is just fig leaf bluster

I love it how the losers in these situations always blame people shorting the market when actually what they mean is "I wish I'd thought of/been able to do that".

"Debt-Gorged British Start to Worry that the Party is Ending"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/business/worldbusiness/22debt.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=england+debt&st=nyt&oref=slogin

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Queen_cancels_party_to_mark_wedding_anniversary/articleshow/2911091.cms

even the queen thinks recession has come to UK

Does anyone have any idea what the point of todays rate cut actually is?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7288909.stm

Suppose we discover that before the economy gets back on track to normal growth of 2.25% to 2.5%, it endures two years of 1.5% growth.

That is far from the worst outcome one can imagine. But it leaves the economy permanently about 1% or 2% smaller than the chancellor has been assuming.

That small error would translate into a permanent annual deterioration in government revenues of about £9bn. When you add that to the shortfall we already have, you are half way to a very nasty problem.

In addition, raising large amounts of new money from the public - in return for no extra services - might feel somewhat uncomfortable when a significant economic slowdown is underway.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/carole_cadwalladr/2008/04/albion_come_to_great_confusion.html

slightly emotional yet schadenfreude-tinged piece -- it's basically otm, though, that this whole thing has been a ridiculous pyramid scheme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7351073.stm

Anyone else think this is a bad idea? Where is the punishment for the bank's executives and shareholders for making such bad business decisions?

Indicative of anything or not, I don't know, but this is a pretty big case of tits-upness:

http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=610091&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#610091

Never knew they owned Turnkey. I'd have thought that it's more of a Fopp-style screw-up than 'oh noes uk musicians aren't splashing the cash anymore', but I know nothing anyway.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/uk_politics_enl_1210682649/img/1.jpg

I don't know what the fuss is about with those notes. Seems completely right for a minister to have various scenerios to hand and for a minister to be also reminded to make some point about 'being on the publics side'.

Really, it's getting like this government can't even do a completely normal thing (like have private notes for a meeting) without it appearing in some way sinister.

What I don't understand is why, as I would have done by now if I were Gordy, he just doesn't give up, force a confidence vote or something. Clearly there's a load of treacherous bastards on the backbenches panicking about their seats. There's going to be nothing but bad news for a year or more. Why put yourself through it?

This is why I am not a politician though I guess.

The govt are encouraging people to enter a market (including via disgraceful shared ownership schemes) that in private they admit is going to have at least 10% falls

Really, it's getting like this government can't even do a completely normal thing (like have private notes for a meeting) without it appearing in some way sinister.

momentum is a bitch.

Laxalt, what should the government do then?

It's all part of the plan, locking them in with negative equity will stop them from emigrating.

Yeh, government ministers can't go around saying that market is going to fall 10% or it automatically becomes true and falls even further than it would have.