Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

Yeah the candidate thing is pretty hard to swallow in the first place too. Like, these folks are the cream of the crop for Jacob?
He couldn't find anybody a little more together to run his magic island?

Totally, the candidate thing is silly.

But I think a major problem I have is not the continuity problems going back 6 seasons, such that, for example, the season 2 others dont make any fucking sense anymore. That's fine. I don't care. But it's the lack of continuity in season 6 itself where I throw my hands up and say "really?" But shit, just enjoy the spectacle for what it is and stop treating it with any seriousness.

Everyone otm. "it's a character based show", just get over yourselves. If the food drops don't matter why put them in? They have cheapened hundreds of great reveals and wow moments of the show by saying basically: "yeah we were just fucking with you there."

Prime example of this first happening was desmond's first appearance in the hatch where you think "omg it's the same guy who jack met at the running track." a big wow ending that basically meant nothing.

They got addicted to shocking the audience and now they act like the people who prob told friends "no I really think they aren't making it all up as they go along" are being ridiculous.

Saw a really irritating interview where they responded to a question about some huge continuity error with "yeah there's also a monster made of smoke on this island!!!"

Like as if endless crappy unfinished half ideas in the script require a "suspension of disbelief." they don't, they just damage the show and make the writers look cheap.

I still love this show but they had enough time to plot the ending and basically dodged explaining more in favour of character sop.

You'd think they'd have barely a minute to waste in s6, like a really good work would leave you wanting more, not feeling like you could fast forward.

Basically the Jacob smokey flashback is the episode it seems everyone wants to see most.

btw character-based shows have characters iirc

The saddest thing is that they could totally answer the questions in a satisfying way and still develop the characters. It would not be difficult at all. Think of all the stuff they could just chop out of the show and lose nothing.

yes. real abdication of craft this season. like, we should have enough information at this point to give a shit whether jack is on or off the boat, instead of just watching it happen. in the alt, are we rooting for him to fix Locke or is that THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN? I dunno. He will or he won't.

Would be nice to have enough goddamn information by now to just once be like NO NO DON'T OPEN THAT DOOR!! or something but no.

Yeah there's no reason why every episode in s6 shouldn't have felt like a finale. I'd almost say s6 the worst season of the lot. I do have faith they'll end it with a big explosive fun few eps but still.

I find the producers' attitude annoying too. Kind of like: "What? A bunch of nerds watch our show?" To be fair though, some of their reaction is to the slightly insane demand to answers for every little thing. Like the fan obsession over getting more info about flashback characters like Ben's old GF Annie.

yeah i'm pretty sure no one would want to watch a show where every single lost nerd get their own special questions answered

S4 > S2 > S5 > S1 > S3 > S6 I think.

Desmond in the hatch was the best WTF moment because they'd spent an entire season working up to the mystery of what was down there. Now they find a lighthouse that gives people a view on their entire lives and its smashed up and over and never spoken of again a week later. I think at some point they just piled too many things on with a trowel.

With me its less a problem of "omg they put this mystery in that was never explained" and more that they've lost the knack of pacing a series properly and balancing the characters' screen time well. Like what exactly has been the point of having Lapidus walking around and saying one line every episode?

(I'm still enjoying it, by the way, I'm just taking it as the dumb fun it obviously is at this point)

Saving every damn mystery to the very end is causing lots of breezy ridiculousness-- "So that's what the whispers are!"

Also, they killed off every character who cared about understanding anything--Daniel, Locke, Charlotte--and left a bunch of pawns behind.

I mean, I can see why they held off on the Jacob/MIB stuff until now, but we could have learned that the whispers were ghosts 2 seasons ago and it wouldn't have wrecked the show.

i firmly believe they didn't had the jacob/MIB stuff planned until the end of S5 other than jacob being 'an important guy'

but but but whut about the black & white stones?

i know i know and what about how some characters were sometimes 'good' and other characters were sometimes 'bad'

The whispers are a prime example of a mystery we don't need the answer to, it should be perfectly obvious by now they're a noise from whenever Smokey appears. That's all you need.

no you are right some of the stuff in S6 has certainly been there thematically the whole time

but i think maybe they have overestimated how much (normal) ppl liked that stuff? xp

i mean probably on the serious lost boards there is already someone with a picture-signature of jin and sun's reunion in the last ep

I think the Locke-leader loop plot, which played out over 3 seasons at least, was pretty well planned out.

The recent exchanges on this thread have really reminded me of me on the Who threads in the Rusty era with everyone else going "it doesn't need to make sense or be explained, just enjoy it".

interesting comparison because Lost doesn't have the "excuse" of having to be understandable by kids. but I'm enjoying DW more these days tbh.

In fairness, Doctor Who really doesn't have to be explained.

Re: the Locke long con being really well worked out, I wonder if Jacob and the Smokemonster were originally intended to be one and the same thing, around the time they first started showing the cabin, and they decided to go with the two characters much later.

Matt...what? The whispers are smokey?

Not only is that not "obvious" it's not even the explanation they gave! Smokey has that clicking noise. The whispers happened at all these random times...

the whispers are more like dead souls

As for the plot my guess us they had this huge pile of sporadically made up bullshit and rightly figured smoke monster was the thing people were most interested in. I like the Jacob/mib stuff I just think they've been lazy...

xp freelancing dead souls with great knowledge of what's happening on the island it appears

you did get both together at times tho. think they confused themselves on this but n/m don't really care anymore just want to know more about MIB really.

the fuckin whispers didnt need a dam explanation but they ESPECIALLY didnt need the dam explanation we got.

The plane that dropped the food is actually from 1977, dropping food through a wormhole it knows nothing about that actually leads to 2004. There. Explained.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

The Dhamra food drops-- it's not really that big a mystery, right? The Dharma folk on the island were purged, but there were still others in Ann Arbor. They left Radzinsky and Kelvin there to keep pushing the button and sent food drops to keep them alive.

― President Keyes, Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

OK I can accept either of these two explanations, so that's cool.

President Keyes' argument makes sense really.

Executives producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse revealed on the the March 11, 2010 podcast that they intend to reveal the origin of the supply drop, although that might happen not on the show itself.

but yeah what is there to reveal really

Lapides is kept around so that there's the possibility of them flying the Ajira plane off the island, I would think.

also didn't Ilana specifically refer to him as a candidate earlier this season?

She said he might be one. But then she seemed to know the names of the actual candidates. Though she said there were 6. I wonder if she was including Locke.

Dharma drops is something I'd rather they not answer since they'll probably come up with something dumb and illogical due to lack of interest.

Also, they killed off every character who cared about understanding anything--Daniel, Locke, Charlotte--and left a bunch of pawns behind.

Yeah I think this is what pisses me off the most.
Maybe if it was some artfully crafted character drama with dialogue that ~makes you think~ I might forgive the mystery stuff being pushed to the sidelines but truth is all that stuff is excrutiatingly bad, the mystery stuff is all they have going and as ppl have said (and me upthread) we still don't know what we're rooting for.

This series is making me forget some of the awesome stuff, I really think the Locke story was a great example of what they ~could~ do.

THIS SHOW IS GONNA KILL US ALL LIKE AN AIRBORNE FUNGUS!

Kind of can't wait for it to be over so that some obsessive can make an entire series re-edit which deletes all flashbacks, flash-forwards and flash-sidewayses.

we still don't know what we're rooting for

This kind of sums up why I've been feeling impartial about this season - every couple of episodes someone needs to DO SOMETHING and sets off to a random location from a previous season where the hang out with a small group of followers until someone else needs to DO SOMETHING ELSE and go to another location with slightly different group of followers, possibly with some bloodshed en route. Then someone gets mad at the group they're in and shifts over to the other group for a while and so on. I didn't get hooked on this show for the cliquey group dynamics.

i am transferring all of my obsessions w/ this show over to fringe which is unfortunately even less likely to end in a satisfying manner

^^^have been contemplating such a sublimation myself, is it at least awesome while you are watching it?

yeah, first season was kind of rough but its really hit its groove this season--plus the 'non-mythology' episodes are totally watchable

last episode of FRINGE was easily better than anything we've seen on LOST this season

grady just texted me to say that hes DJing the L O S T wrap party tomorrow night

FUCK THAT GUY