Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

Christian's coffin still missing in the altworld or was it just delivered later (Jack being on the way to the service before meeting Claire)?

I thought Jack and his kid were on their way to the reading of Christian's will.

Nah the coffin turned up pretty quickly, it just got put on the wrong plane or something similarly prosaic.

How does on-island Claire know that Jack's her brother? This was bugging me all episode but afaic remember she never even knew Christian's name. Jack knew so did he tell her when they returned to the island?

Jack didn't tell her, Smokey did.

Did we see this? I guess we're supposed to assume that's why he was in the form of Christian, but still, I would have thought it's quite a big deal... particularly if Claire's gone mental over her boybee then knowing she has family who might help raise him, might have helped her? I dunno.

BTW she still has mysterious Dharma implant in her, maybe she's a suicide bomb who can explode smokey at the last minute.

We didn't see it but it was explicitly mentioned in that last episode.

How did I miss that!

Who else thought either Jin or Sun was going to get zapped by the fence as they ran towards one another?

I sure did!

was also just thinking this morning "I sure hope they explain the food drops".

I hope Hurley says "So THAT'S where the food drops are coming from!" and stares meaningfully into the camera for like ten seconds.

"Dude...whoaah!"

http://z.about.com/d/lost/1/0/B/2/0/-/Hurley2.jpg

according to the podcast they aren't explaining the food drops on the show.

Does anyone really care if we don't learn anything about the fertility stuff or the Dharma food drops at this stage? Red herrings, dudes.

yes exactly, red herrings! stupid shit writing...

why the fuck did the red herring say hurley's name

also I haven't seen the last few episodes but I keep opening this thread

I always wondered if it was possible for fanfiction to be so bad, but pervasive enough as to force show creators to refute them in the show.

Like if it got around that people thought the food drops were from a time-shifting pterodactyl named Beaky Hanso or something.

The plane that dropped the food is actually from 1977, dropping food through a wormhole it knows nothing about that actually leads to 2004. There. Explained.

i'm not sure there's any nagging minor mystery i'll be pissed about them not returning to, really i just want the finale to be SOMETHING entertaining/surprising, but i'm starting to hate these guys for copping the annoyed condescending attitude towards fans who actually kept track of all the bullshit breadcrumbs THEY dropped in the first place.

i'm starting to hate these guys for copping the annoyed condescending attitude towards fans who actually kept track of all the bullshit breadcrumbs THEY dropped in the first place.

seriously. take some pride in your fuckin' work.

apart from giving jack tattoos

"Oh look, a Chuck E. Cheese"

The Dhamra food drops-- it's not really that big a mystery, right? The Dharma folk on the island were purged, but there were still others in Ann Arbor. They left Radzinsky and Kelvin there to keep pushing the button and sent food drops to keep them alive.

i'm starting to hate these guys for copping the annoyed condescending attitude towards fans who actually kept track of all the bullshit breadcrumbs THEY dropped in the first place.

OTFM. Every single interview with them over the past couple of years has been like this. I'd probably be enjoying this season a lot more if they'd shown a bit of enthusiasm for what makes the show great.

Seriously, 3 year olds.

Lindelof: It’s like when you spend time with a 3-year-old, you quickly find out that one question just begets another — there’s a “why” in the wake of every “why” — and the only way to end the conversation is to say, “Oh look, a Chuck E. Cheese!” The show is doing its best to say, “Oh look, Chuck E. Cheese!” For example, we’ve now given the viewers as much as we’re willing to say about the numbers, and we’re moving on.

what i do think is v stupid is like hurley's whole "maybe jacob wants us to go to locke thing" is basically just a massive stupid meaningless plot device to join the two groups together.

Yeah and as soon as they joined the two groups together, it became immediately obvious why Whidmore had to kidnap Jin - just for the Jin/Sun reunion moment. I hate to sound like a broken record, but these sorts of plot contrivances have been extremely heavy-handed for a couple of seasons now. It's alright though, I tell myself, just stop thinking and enjoy the spectacle. This show is not meant to be pored over. You need a heavy suspension of disbelief. And yet it somehow invites this hypercritical approach at the same time. Because this show keeps demanding that I criticize it. I just want to enjoy it in the same mindless way, I enjoyed Hot Tub Time Machine.

Saddest thing ever though is that they set up the mystery of who is the candidate? Jin or Sun. And nobody bothered to care. Not a single viewer. Not even a single character.

The minor mysteries like the food drops, for those keeping score, are the only shit I ever cared about. This big overarching Jacob non-sense ruined the show imo.

Yeah the candidate thing is pretty hard to swallow in the first place too. Like, these folks are the cream of the crop for Jacob?
He couldn't find anybody a little more together to run his magic island?

Totally, the candidate thing is silly.

But I think a major problem I have is not the continuity problems going back 6 seasons, such that, for example, the season 2 others dont make any fucking sense anymore. That's fine. I don't care. But it's the lack of continuity in season 6 itself where I throw my hands up and say "really?" But shit, just enjoy the spectacle for what it is and stop treating it with any seriousness.

Everyone otm. "it's a character based show", just get over yourselves. If the food drops don't matter why put them in? They have cheapened hundreds of great reveals and wow moments of the show by saying basically: "yeah we were just fucking with you there."

Prime example of this first happening was desmond's first appearance in the hatch where you think "omg it's the same guy who jack met at the running track." a big wow ending that basically meant nothing.

They got addicted to shocking the audience and now they act like the people who prob told friends "no I really think they aren't making it all up as they go along" are being ridiculous.

Saw a really irritating interview where they responded to a question about some huge continuity error with "yeah there's also a monster made of smoke on this island!!!"

Like as if endless crappy unfinished half ideas in the script require a "suspension of disbelief." they don't, they just damage the show and make the writers look cheap.

I still love this show but they had enough time to plot the ending and basically dodged explaining more in favour of character sop.

You'd think they'd have barely a minute to waste in s6, like a really good work would leave you wanting more, not feeling like you could fast forward.

Basically the Jacob smokey flashback is the episode it seems everyone wants to see most.

btw character-based shows have characters iirc

The saddest thing is that they could totally answer the questions in a satisfying way and still develop the characters. It would not be difficult at all. Think of all the stuff they could just chop out of the show and lose nothing.

yes. real abdication of craft this season. like, we should have enough information at this point to give a shit whether jack is on or off the boat, instead of just watching it happen. in the alt, are we rooting for him to fix Locke or is that THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN? I dunno. He will or he won't.

Would be nice to have enough goddamn information by now to just once be like NO NO DON'T OPEN THAT DOOR!! or something but no.

Yeah there's no reason why every episode in s6 shouldn't have felt like a finale. I'd almost say s6 the worst season of the lot. I do have faith they'll end it with a big explosive fun few eps but still.

I find the producers' attitude annoying too. Kind of like: "What? A bunch of nerds watch our show?" To be fair though, some of their reaction is to the slightly insane demand to answers for every little thing. Like the fan obsession over getting more info about flashback characters like Ben's old GF Annie.

yeah i'm pretty sure no one would want to watch a show where every single lost nerd get their own special questions answered

S4 > S2 > S5 > S1 > S3 > S6 I think.

Desmond in the hatch was the best WTF moment because they'd spent an entire season working up to the mystery of what was down there. Now they find a lighthouse that gives people a view on their entire lives and its smashed up and over and never spoken of again a week later. I think at some point they just piled too many things on with a trowel.

With me its less a problem of "omg they put this mystery in that was never explained" and more that they've lost the knack of pacing a series properly and balancing the characters' screen time well. Like what exactly has been the point of having Lapidus walking around and saying one line every episode?

(I'm still enjoying it, by the way, I'm just taking it as the dumb fun it obviously is at this point)

Saving every damn mystery to the very end is causing lots of breezy ridiculousness-- "So that's what the whispers are!"

Also, they killed off every character who cared about understanding anything--Daniel, Locke, Charlotte--and left a bunch of pawns behind.

I mean, I can see why they held off on the Jacob/MIB stuff until now, but we could have learned that the whispers were ghosts 2 seasons ago and it wouldn't have wrecked the show.

i firmly believe they didn't had the jacob/MIB stuff planned until the end of S5 other than jacob being 'an important guy'

but but but whut about the black & white stones?

i know i know and what about how some characters were sometimes 'good' and other characters were sometimes 'bad'

The whispers are a prime example of a mystery we don't need the answer to, it should be perfectly obvious by now they're a noise from whenever Smokey appears. That's all you need.

no you are right some of the stuff in S6 has certainly been there thematically the whole time

but i think maybe they have overestimated how much (normal) ppl liked that stuff? xp

i mean probably on the serious lost boards there is already someone with a picture-signature of jin and sun's reunion in the last ep

I think the Locke-leader loop plot, which played out over 3 seasons at least, was pretty well planned out.

The recent exchanges on this thread have really reminded me of me on the Who threads in the Rusty era with everyone else going "it doesn't need to make sense or be explained, just enjoy it".

interesting comparison because Lost doesn't have the "excuse" of having to be understandable by kids. but I'm enjoying DW more these days tbh.

In fairness, Doctor Who really doesn't have to be explained.

Re: the Locke long con being really well worked out, I wonder if Jacob and the Smokemonster were originally intended to be one and the same thing, around the time they first started showing the cabin, and they decided to go with the two characters much later.