Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

because Michael's ghost told Hurley to, and uh... I guess Michael works for the island? or Jacob? who knows. most of the characters have no idea what they're doing, that's why they'll follow just about anybody who has the vaguest sense of direction or leadership

I haven't rewatched any episodes, but Dead Michael didn't tell Hurley to bring everyone to Smokey-Locke IIRC. Didn't Hurley initially say that Jacob told him to take everyone to Smokey-Locke which Richard promptly called bullshit on. Hurley later admitted to Jack that he made the whole thing up and that he was just winging it. Jack's nonsensical response was to agree with Hurley to visit Smokey-Lockey anyway. For me it makes that whole plot point more wtf rather than less wtf.

When Hurley said it was Jacob who told him what to do, it was actually Michael, who'd been telling him to do stuff all episode both on and off-camera. Regardless of which "side" it benefits, it seems clear that all of the originals are supposed to get together and decide what they're going to do regarding Smokey and getting off the island - doesn't surprise me that the "good" side and the ghosts with them were pushing them together. Jack's gave a whole speech about why he went along with Hurley, it wasn't totally nonsensical!

Why doesn't the secret message in that Wired article make any sense? Think I'm missing a bit of it that's maybe only in the magazine?

How does on-island Claire know that Jack's her brother? This was bugging me all episode but afaic remember she never even knew Christian's name. Jack knew so did he tell her when they returned to the island?

When Hurley said it was Jacob who told him what to do, it was actually Michael, who'd been telling him to do stuff all episode both on and off-camera.

Fair enough, but how are you able to determine what Michael said to Hurley "off camera". If Michael did tell Hurley to go to Flocke off-camera (he definitely did not do this on-camera), why does Hurley feel it is necessary to lie to Jack and claim that the decision to visit FLocke was Hurley's alone? Why is that any better than him telling Jack that Michael's ghost told him to visit FLocke?

Jack's gave a whole speech about why he went along with Hurley, it wasn't totally nonsensical!

If the main gist of Jack's response to Hurley is that he is going "to sit back and listen to other people tell him what to," why does he refuse to go along with Sawyer's escape plan for everyone in the very next episode. Perhaps his conversation with Hurley isn't completely nonsensical but what was the point of it?

You're overthinking this, man. I mean, 90% of this stuff is just classic "we have to go over to this side of the island!" Lost action-logic. This is a show where people lie all the time to get people to do things and are eternally evasive with answers! And where those same people will just go along for it and walk across the island again. I think it's pretty safe to assume, at least within that one episode, that Hurley was just following ghost orders, and taking up the traditional Lost "just do what I tell you, because i say so" tack. (And even Hurley was totally surprised that Jack had such a casual attitude about going to meet Locke.)

As for Jack's change of heart, my guess is that once he actually met and saw Dead Locke alive in the flesh for the first time, he immediately caught onto the evil there, that aspect was played up - at least he was pretty freaked out by it, naturally. According to that Wired image there's going to be more between them next episode.

I think the key is that, while having everybody meet HAS to happen (regardless of which side wins, both sides seem to agree on this) Jack and Sawyer's plans and goals are definitely different - Jack never said anything about wanting to escape the island since coming back in '77. I mean, does anyone really believe the island or Fate is gonna let Team Submarine win the day, anyway? Don't believe the show is pointing us in that direction, necessarily. Also guessing this is why Widmore turned on them at the end, since Jack was missing, whatever he wanted to do couldn't happen.

The really dumb thing about all this is that they could have just got everyone back together by having Sun trek off into the jungle to find Jin.

How does on-island Claire know that Jack's her brother? This was bugging me all episode but afaic remember she never even knew Christian's name. Jack knew so did he tell her when they returned to the island?

Jack didn't tell her, Smokey did.

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I'd like to think that the idea to go talk to Locke came from Hurley's head rather than from Michael. Hurley is a conciliator. It seems natural that he'd favor negotiations.

there better be some serious action in the next episode. tired of smokey spouting action movie cliches everytime widmore's crew does something. "It's on!" *evil glare* *fade to commercial* "Now we dance!" *evil glare* *fade to commercial* "Oh no he didn't!" *evil glare* *fade to commercial* "Check, please!" *evil glare* *fade to commercial*

"LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED RIGHT NOW!" *EVIL SKOT GLARE* *FADE TO PIE*

yeah... i don't think they need to have a big smoke monster showdown every episode like the one in the statue but they definitely need to stop the teasing. he's more interesting/intimidating when he's just being kinda creepy anyway.

my main thought on this episode was "holy shit they sure know how to pack in a lot of commercials here huh"

i always wonder where smokey gets the patience to deal with these idiot people all the time, but then i remember that he has been chilling on the island forever and a day. but, still, you would think this would make him even MORE murderous and deranged to be so close to his goal after all this time. i mean, not that he isn't deranged, but he does manage to keep it together and have several long tedious conversations with people who are basically just soon-to-be-dead sacrifices to him.

You're overthinking this, man.

Of course I am. Isn't that what this series is supposed to be inviting its audience to do? I missed out on all the fun when X-Files jumped the rails back in the day because I had stopped watching that series a year or two before it happened, but I am staying with Lost all the way to the bitter freakin' end.

Think this entire series is basically about getting the players in place for one massive reveal and then one almighty kickoff with explosions and shit and, well, that's it really. Does anyone really care if we don't learn anything about the fertility stuff or the Dharma food drops at this stage? Red herrings, dudes.

50/50 on whether they'll explain what actually happened with Christian's corpse. This is my Hurley Bird now.

Christian's coffin still missing in the altworld or was it just delivered later (Jack being on the way to the service before meeting Claire)?

I thought Jack and his kid were on their way to the reading of Christian's will.

Nah the coffin turned up pretty quickly, it just got put on the wrong plane or something similarly prosaic.

How does on-island Claire know that Jack's her brother? This was bugging me all episode but afaic remember she never even knew Christian's name. Jack knew so did he tell her when they returned to the island?

Jack didn't tell her, Smokey did.

Did we see this? I guess we're supposed to assume that's why he was in the form of Christian, but still, I would have thought it's quite a big deal... particularly if Claire's gone mental over her boybee then knowing she has family who might help raise him, might have helped her? I dunno.

BTW she still has mysterious Dharma implant in her, maybe she's a suicide bomb who can explode smokey at the last minute.

We didn't see it but it was explicitly mentioned in that last episode.

How did I miss that!

Who else thought either Jin or Sun was going to get zapped by the fence as they ran towards one another?

I sure did!

was also just thinking this morning "I sure hope they explain the food drops".

I hope Hurley says "So THAT'S where the food drops are coming from!" and stares meaningfully into the camera for like ten seconds.

"Dude...whoaah!"

http://z.about.com/d/lost/1/0/B/2/0/-/Hurley2.jpg

according to the podcast they aren't explaining the food drops on the show.

Does anyone really care if we don't learn anything about the fertility stuff or the Dharma food drops at this stage? Red herrings, dudes.

yes exactly, red herrings! stupid shit writing...

why the fuck did the red herring say hurley's name

also I haven't seen the last few episodes but I keep opening this thread

I always wondered if it was possible for fanfiction to be so bad, but pervasive enough as to force show creators to refute them in the show.

Like if it got around that people thought the food drops were from a time-shifting pterodactyl named Beaky Hanso or something.

The plane that dropped the food is actually from 1977, dropping food through a wormhole it knows nothing about that actually leads to 2004. There. Explained.

i'm not sure there's any nagging minor mystery i'll be pissed about them not returning to, really i just want the finale to be SOMETHING entertaining/surprising, but i'm starting to hate these guys for copping the annoyed condescending attitude towards fans who actually kept track of all the bullshit breadcrumbs THEY dropped in the first place.

i'm starting to hate these guys for copping the annoyed condescending attitude towards fans who actually kept track of all the bullshit breadcrumbs THEY dropped in the first place.

seriously. take some pride in your fuckin' work.

apart from giving jack tattoos

"Oh look, a Chuck E. Cheese"

The Dhamra food drops-- it's not really that big a mystery, right? The Dharma folk on the island were purged, but there were still others in Ann Arbor. They left Radzinsky and Kelvin there to keep pushing the button and sent food drops to keep them alive.

i'm starting to hate these guys for copping the annoyed condescending attitude towards fans who actually kept track of all the bullshit breadcrumbs THEY dropped in the first place.

OTFM. Every single interview with them over the past couple of years has been like this. I'd probably be enjoying this season a lot more if they'd shown a bit of enthusiasm for what makes the show great.

Seriously, 3 year olds.

Lindelof: It’s like when you spend time with a 3-year-old, you quickly find out that one question just begets another — there’s a “why” in the wake of every “why” — and the only way to end the conversation is to say, “Oh look, a Chuck E. Cheese!” The show is doing its best to say, “Oh look, Chuck E. Cheese!” For example, we’ve now given the viewers as much as we’re willing to say about the numbers, and we’re moving on.

what i do think is v stupid is like hurley's whole "maybe jacob wants us to go to locke thing" is basically just a massive stupid meaningless plot device to join the two groups together.

Yeah and as soon as they joined the two groups together, it became immediately obvious why Whidmore had to kidnap Jin - just for the Jin/Sun reunion moment. I hate to sound like a broken record, but these sorts of plot contrivances have been extremely heavy-handed for a couple of seasons now. It's alright though, I tell myself, just stop thinking and enjoy the spectacle. This show is not meant to be pored over. You need a heavy suspension of disbelief. And yet it somehow invites this hypercritical approach at the same time. Because this show keeps demanding that I criticize it. I just want to enjoy it in the same mindless way, I enjoyed Hot Tub Time Machine.

Saddest thing ever though is that they set up the mystery of who is the candidate? Jin or Sun. And nobody bothered to care. Not a single viewer. Not even a single character.

The minor mysteries like the food drops, for those keeping score, are the only shit I ever cared about. This big overarching Jacob non-sense ruined the show imo.

Yeah the candidate thing is pretty hard to swallow in the first place too. Like, these folks are the cream of the crop for Jacob?
He couldn't find anybody a little more together to run his magic island?

Totally, the candidate thing is silly.

But I think a major problem I have is not the continuity problems going back 6 seasons, such that, for example, the season 2 others dont make any fucking sense anymore. That's fine. I don't care. But it's the lack of continuity in season 6 itself where I throw my hands up and say "really?" But shit, just enjoy the spectacle for what it is and stop treating it with any seriousness.

Everyone otm. "it's a character based show", just get over yourselves. If the food drops don't matter why put them in? They have cheapened hundreds of great reveals and wow moments of the show by saying basically: "yeah we were just fucking with you there."

Prime example of this first happening was desmond's first appearance in the hatch where you think "omg it's the same guy who jack met at the running track." a big wow ending that basically meant nothing.

They got addicted to shocking the audience and now they act like the people who prob told friends "no I really think they aren't making it all up as they go along" are being ridiculous.

Saw a really irritating interview where they responded to a question about some huge continuity error with "yeah there's also a monster made of smoke on this island!!!"

Like as if endless crappy unfinished half ideas in the script require a "suspension of disbelief." they don't, they just damage the show and make the writers look cheap.

I still love this show but they had enough time to plot the ending and basically dodged explaining more in favour of character sop.

You'd think they'd have barely a minute to waste in s6, like a really good work would leave you wanting more, not feeling like you could fast forward.

Basically the Jacob smokey flashback is the episode it seems everyone wants to see most.

btw character-based shows have characters iirc

The saddest thing is that they could totally answer the questions in a satisfying way and still develop the characters. It would not be difficult at all. Think of all the stuff they could just chop out of the show and lose nothing.

yes. real abdication of craft this season. like, we should have enough information at this point to give a shit whether jack is on or off the boat, instead of just watching it happen. in the alt, are we rooting for him to fix Locke or is that THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN? I dunno. He will or he won't.

Would be nice to have enough goddamn information by now to just once be like NO NO DON'T OPEN THAT DOOR!! or something but no.

Yeah there's no reason why every episode in s6 shouldn't have felt like a finale. I'd almost say s6 the worst season of the lot. I do have faith they'll end it with a big explosive fun few eps but still.

I find the producers' attitude annoying too. Kind of like: "What? A bunch of nerds watch our show?" To be fair though, some of their reaction is to the slightly insane demand to answers for every little thing. Like the fan obsession over getting more info about flashback characters like Ben's old GF Annie.

yeah i'm pretty sure no one would want to watch a show where every single lost nerd get their own special questions answered

S4 > S2 > S5 > S1 > S3 > S6 I think.