Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

what happened to rose and bernard? where is vincent?

where was ben last episode?

he went with Richard and Miles to try and blow up the plane

partying with richard and miles iirc

ooh yeah, thanks

"What's up?"
"Someone's trying to kill us. Again."

wtf @ mini-jack. that kid is super creepy. they even walk alike!

mini-jack is nu-walt? maybe it's their loophole for not figuring out how to get walt to stop puberty between seasons.

dialogue in this episode reached new low

yeah totally

I would say re-reached the same low.

Lindelof: It’s like when you spend time with a 3-year-old, you quickly find out that one question just begets another — there’s a “why” in the wake of every “why” — and the only way to end the conversation is to say, “Oh look, a Chuck E. Cheese!” The show is doing its best to say, “Oh look, Chuck E. Cheese!” For example, we’ve now given the viewers as much as we’re willing to say about the numbers, and we’re moving on.

re: dialogue, I think this season is missing Brian Vaughan.

I liked how Jack, knowing that Locke is not really Locke, expects him to act like Locke: "John Locke said we had to stay here."

was pretty clear he meant actual john locke.

agree some terrible dialogue, i love the amount of times lost dialogue feels like monkey island or one of those games. eg lapidus "THERE'S SOME CANNED FOOD IN THE GALLEY LETS ALL EXIT THIS SCENE AND GET SOME."

overall thought this ep was great tho, plot moved along nicely.

what i do think is v stupid is like hurley's whole "maybe jacob wants us to go to locke thing" is basically just a massive stupid meaningless plot device to join the two groups together.

why in the name of jesus would any of them want to go hang out with the swirling murderous smoke monster? how or why could that ever seem a good idea?

because Michael's ghost told Hurley to, and uh... I guess Michael works for the island? or Jacob? who knows. most of the characters have no idea what they're doing, that's why they'll follow just about anybody who has the vaguest sense of direction or leadership

it seems a really hollow plot device, and you know full well they'll never explain why jacob/michael's ghost thought that was a good idea except that every single action anyone ever does had to lead to the same conclusion, it's FATE wow!

I actually like this show a lot more when it's a proper ensemble cast thing - ie not hamstrung by having to have every episode centre around one character. Thought this one moved things on pretty nicely actually.

Who else thought either Jin or Sun was going to get zapped by the fence as they ran towards one another?

There's no way Sayid killed Desmond. Actually, alt-Desmond is really starting to act like Jacob.

So Jack's a Smokey stooge now? Certainly looked like that rocket should have killed him.

Sayid didn't kill Desmond, and Jack is not any more of a "stooge" than he ever was (which was pretty stoogey, let's be honest).

"Certainly looked like that rocket should have killed him."

he can't get killed by things though, right? on the island.

Here is an image to stare at:

http://www.wired.com/magazine/wp-content/images/18-05/ff_lost_2000px_f.jpg

what's "_oundelay"? roundelay?

was pretty clear he meant actual john locke.

Yeah, I know. I just meant that when Smokey said "we need to leave the island," Jack was like, "But Locke wanted to stay on the island," as though because Smokey looked like Locke he was supposed to share his opinions. Just seemed dumb in a Jack sort of way.

Dumb... like a fox!
(He's tricking Smokey into thinking he's stupid by being stupid.)

what's "_oundelay"? roundelay?

― abanana, Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:54 PM (7 minutes ago)

super secret speedy gonzalez cameo

because Michael's ghost told Hurley to, and uh... I guess Michael works for the island? or Jacob? who knows. most of the characters have no idea what they're doing, that's why they'll follow just about anybody who has the vaguest sense of direction or leadership

I haven't rewatched any episodes, but Dead Michael didn't tell Hurley to bring everyone to Smokey-Locke IIRC. Didn't Hurley initially say that Jacob told him to take everyone to Smokey-Locke which Richard promptly called bullshit on. Hurley later admitted to Jack that he made the whole thing up and that he was just winging it. Jack's nonsensical response was to agree with Hurley to visit Smokey-Lockey anyway. For me it makes that whole plot point more wtf rather than less wtf.

When Hurley said it was Jacob who told him what to do, it was actually Michael, who'd been telling him to do stuff all episode both on and off-camera. Regardless of which "side" it benefits, it seems clear that all of the originals are supposed to get together and decide what they're going to do regarding Smokey and getting off the island - doesn't surprise me that the "good" side and the ghosts with them were pushing them together. Jack's gave a whole speech about why he went along with Hurley, it wasn't totally nonsensical!

Why doesn't the secret message in that Wired article make any sense? Think I'm missing a bit of it that's maybe only in the magazine?

How does on-island Claire know that Jack's her brother? This was bugging me all episode but afaic remember she never even knew Christian's name. Jack knew so did he tell her when they returned to the island?

When Hurley said it was Jacob who told him what to do, it was actually Michael, who'd been telling him to do stuff all episode both on and off-camera.

Fair enough, but how are you able to determine what Michael said to Hurley "off camera". If Michael did tell Hurley to go to Flocke off-camera (he definitely did not do this on-camera), why does Hurley feel it is necessary to lie to Jack and claim that the decision to visit FLocke was Hurley's alone? Why is that any better than him telling Jack that Michael's ghost told him to visit FLocke?

Jack's gave a whole speech about why he went along with Hurley, it wasn't totally nonsensical!

If the main gist of Jack's response to Hurley is that he is going "to sit back and listen to other people tell him what to," why does he refuse to go along with Sawyer's escape plan for everyone in the very next episode. Perhaps his conversation with Hurley isn't completely nonsensical but what was the point of it?

You're overthinking this, man. I mean, 90% of this stuff is just classic "we have to go over to this side of the island!" Lost action-logic. This is a show where people lie all the time to get people to do things and are eternally evasive with answers! And where those same people will just go along for it and walk across the island again. I think it's pretty safe to assume, at least within that one episode, that Hurley was just following ghost orders, and taking up the traditional Lost "just do what I tell you, because i say so" tack. (And even Hurley was totally surprised that Jack had such a casual attitude about going to meet Locke.)

As for Jack's change of heart, my guess is that once he actually met and saw Dead Locke alive in the flesh for the first time, he immediately caught onto the evil there, that aspect was played up - at least he was pretty freaked out by it, naturally. According to that Wired image there's going to be more between them next episode.

I think the key is that, while having everybody meet HAS to happen (regardless of which side wins, both sides seem to agree on this) Jack and Sawyer's plans and goals are definitely different - Jack never said anything about wanting to escape the island since coming back in '77. I mean, does anyone really believe the island or Fate is gonna let Team Submarine win the day, anyway? Don't believe the show is pointing us in that direction, necessarily. Also guessing this is why Widmore turned on them at the end, since Jack was missing, whatever he wanted to do couldn't happen.

The really dumb thing about all this is that they could have just got everyone back together by having Sun trek off into the jungle to find Jin.

How does on-island Claire know that Jack's her brother? This was bugging me all episode but afaic remember she never even knew Christian's name. Jack knew so did he tell her when they returned to the island?

Jack didn't tell her, Smokey did.

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I'd like to think that the idea to go talk to Locke came from Hurley's head rather than from Michael. Hurley is a conciliator. It seems natural that he'd favor negotiations.

there better be some serious action in the next episode. tired of smokey spouting action movie cliches everytime widmore's crew does something. "It's on!" *evil glare* *fade to commercial* "Now we dance!" *evil glare* *fade to commercial* "Oh no he didn't!" *evil glare* *fade to commercial* "Check, please!" *evil glare* *fade to commercial*

"LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED RIGHT NOW!" *EVIL SKOT GLARE* *FADE TO PIE*

yeah... i don't think they need to have a big smoke monster showdown every episode like the one in the statue but they definitely need to stop the teasing. he's more interesting/intimidating when he's just being kinda creepy anyway.

my main thought on this episode was "holy shit they sure know how to pack in a lot of commercials here huh"

i always wonder where smokey gets the patience to deal with these idiot people all the time, but then i remember that he has been chilling on the island forever and a day. but, still, you would think this would make him even MORE murderous and deranged to be so close to his goal after all this time. i mean, not that he isn't deranged, but he does manage to keep it together and have several long tedious conversations with people who are basically just soon-to-be-dead sacrifices to him.

You're overthinking this, man.

Of course I am. Isn't that what this series is supposed to be inviting its audience to do? I missed out on all the fun when X-Files jumped the rails back in the day because I had stopped watching that series a year or two before it happened, but I am staying with Lost all the way to the bitter freakin' end.

Think this entire series is basically about getting the players in place for one massive reveal and then one almighty kickoff with explosions and shit and, well, that's it really. Does anyone really care if we don't learn anything about the fertility stuff or the Dharma food drops at this stage? Red herrings, dudes.

50/50 on whether they'll explain what actually happened with Christian's corpse. This is my Hurley Bird now.

Christian's coffin still missing in the altworld or was it just delivered later (Jack being on the way to the service before meeting Claire)?

I thought Jack and his kid were on their way to the reading of Christian's will.

Nah the coffin turned up pretty quickly, it just got put on the wrong plane or something similarly prosaic.

How does on-island Claire know that Jack's her brother? This was bugging me all episode but afaic remember she never even knew Christian's name. Jack knew so did he tell her when they returned to the island?

Jack didn't tell her, Smokey did.

Did we see this? I guess we're supposed to assume that's why he was in the form of Christian, but still, I would have thought it's quite a big deal... particularly if Claire's gone mental over her boybee then knowing she has family who might help raise him, might have helped her? I dunno.

BTW she still has mysterious Dharma implant in her, maybe she's a suicide bomb who can explode smokey at the last minute.

We didn't see it but it was explicitly mentioned in that last episode.

How did I miss that!

Who else thought either Jin or Sun was going to get zapped by the fence as they ran towards one another?

I sure did!

was also just thinking this morning "I sure hope they explain the food drops".

I hope Hurley says "So THAT'S where the food drops are coming from!" and stares meaningfully into the camera for like ten seconds.

"Dude...whoaah!"

http://z.about.com/d/lost/1/0/B/2/0/-/Hurley2.jpg

according to the podcast they aren't explaining the food drops on the show.