Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

Crazy Nimoy! Zoe Saldana didn't exist even on a cellular level back then.

1973 star trek convention:

http://www.youtube.com/user/beyondspock

One-upping that:

http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/05/08/from-the-pre-history-of-fandom-1971-star-trek-fan-film

And then of course:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20061024-71.html

i can't even believe this question was ever asked. anyone who doesn't like Star Trek, even in a secret way, can fuck off and die.

i remember having the trek/wars argument when i was in school and saying star wars. i was so fucking wrong. wrath of khan and search for spock alone > star wars.

absolutely.

star wars has become such a joyless industry to me

well so did ST there until the reboot.

Enterprise had its moments, i thought.

yeah but I could just ignore things like Enterprise (space Bush!) - the OST DVDs were not replaced/scarred with CGI additions, etc.

right. TNG is still my fave, but that's because i grew up with it.

Star Trek just seems like so much more of a flexible and accomodating sort of universe to explore and work with - Star Wars has become so claustrophobic/autistic, always treading over the same water, endlessly filling in and fiddling with details of a single, heavily revered story arc, the self-referentialism is suffocating.

true. i can't imagine star wars ever getting rebooted with Simon Pegg as Han Solo. Although I would prefer that to the prequel movies.

the OST DVDs were not replaced/scarred with CGI additions, etc

Actually, didn't they do exactly this? I remember Paramount came out with new CGI for the old episodes a couple years ago. Maybe the DVDs have both versions?

yeah, I've seen the eps with added CGI late night on tv a few times. from what I've seen, it was done fairly tastefully.

the blu-ray discs allow you to pick either version.

dig this shot:

http://www.marcwade.com/startrek/remastered/tos-050/planetscape/Ep50_planetscape.jpg

of course, the crummy effects are half the fun, so I opt for my old dvds if I have the option.

i can't even believe this question was ever asked. anyone who doesn't like Star Trek, even in a secret way, can fuck off and die.

― it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:20 (2 hours ago)

^

my point was you can still get the actual aired versions of the OST episodes - they are readily available.

we didn't talk about the recent *amazing* film much on here. was there a seperate thread devoted to it?

aha Young Kirk n Spock + Lost = new Star Trek movie

God that movie was great.

it was good. in order to be great it would have needed a better villain.

it was better than it had any reason to be. as in, it was like the third or fourth best star trek movie and there are like,, 200 of them.

paramount showed way more respect to the original episodes with those CGI updates than lucas did to his own films -- all the ones i've seen have been tasteful and non-distracting.

any consensus on what the best TNG seasons are? i kind of want to watch it again but don't really want to slog through those early episodes again.

my favorite stuff is actually fairly early on - the arc with the Federation conspiracy/cosmic earwig infestation, Q's stories. the Data/Lore stuff is pretty good. Seems like reruns are on all the time, but it's always the boring "office in space" type shit. series was definitely on for too long.

hmm.. i like the first four the best, for the same sorts of reasons.

the arc with the Federation conspiracy/cosmic earwig infestation

shit yeah

^ should run that every halloween

lol I guess that was only 2 episodes at the end of season 1

"it was like the third or fourth best star trek movie and there are like,, 200 of them."

if you're going by star trek parody movies that were surprisingly better than most star trek movies,
there's lots! Galaxy Quest, Futurama, hm.. well I guess that's it.

yeah, so bummed that they never went back to it. strange in that it's the only star trek storyline i know of where you get the idea that the federation is a complex, political and morally questionable organization. stealth smack down on roddenberry's midcentury utopian idealism.

x-post there

yeah, those eps were dope. was also super-disappointed that they never really touched on the conspiracy stuff again.

season 3/4 was the sweet spot for me iirc.

also always have time for the crystalline entity.

Seasons 3-5 are TNG at its best IMO. I do agree it went on for too long though - the last season was extremely bland (and often plain bad).

The Conspiracy bugs should definitely have made a comeback, but producers decided not to, simply because fans thought it too icky. The "Section 31" episodes of DS9 did a pretty similar thing for the Federation.

they did bring the conspiracy back, kind of. the borg were originally supposed to be those space maggots

thanks, alan

the borg were originally supposed to be those space maggots

that so? missed that. not quite the same thing tho...

to be honest I'm glad they didn't go that route. i like bughunting and I like star trek,
but I don't think i would like star trek: bughunter very much. it'd be like that time
they turned picard into jack sparrow.

I've never heard about the borg thing either. not really that similar outside of the gross out factor, right?

speaking of trek stuff that didn't get enough play - always hated how the gorn bridge gets mentioned a couple times in "arena" but never actually makes an appearance. give these guys a spinoff imo.

and np, contenderizer.

this will have to do for now:

http://edpratherart.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/11-gorn-bridge-colored-pencil-on-black-paper2.jpg?w=346&h=450
http://edpratherart.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/12-thine-enemy-captain-colored-pencil-on-black-paper1.jpg?w=346&h=450

I would frame that beautiful fan art.

oh man, i'm totally going to watch some TNG and get stoned tonight.

but I don't think i would like star trek: bughunter very much

Would watch the shit out of Star Trek: Bughunter

Seasons 3-5 are TNG at its best IMO

this

http://gornshop.com/

What makes me continually want to cry is that I'll (probably) never be able to watch TNG in a cleaned-up, 16:9 aspect ratio format due to the way the FX were somehow boiled down onto video in some kind of hard-coded 4:3 format. They can't actually reformat for 16:9 because the FX are printed over the top somehow. I don't think there's any non-FX masters or anything they could eventually work up from.

Once, while rendered borderline autistic through cannabis and improperly prescribed antidepressant medication, I spent weeks trying to make the "perfect" rips of the standard TNG DVDs, but there's really nothing you can do and the show was just shot like a piece of shit. Frustrating. With DS9 they finally bought some good cameras or something.

I don't know. I figure there's good enough computers now that they could probably figure all that shit out somehow.

Kind of sad that the things I'm more worried about not seeing before I die are Star Trek-related and not things like proportional representation or reformed cannabis legislation. Oh well.

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i watched TNG religiously when it was on but I absolutely can't be bothered with it now, I doubt I could sit through an episode.

God that movie was great.

Outta yr mind

As an OST fan (early in its syndication run), I was never interested in the other series when they came around. And I don't even want to see JJ Abrams' second film for free.