abortion classic or dud?

lonely gal just thinking abort things

:D

Good summary of the Nebraska law re 20 weeks
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18785-briefing-new-law-claims-a-fetus-can-feel-pain.html?full=true

Although I'm surprised that anyone really thinks it's relevant, whether or not you believe it should have human rights or w/ev surely the fact that its life is being ended is the 'key' point?

no the key point for anti-choicers is ginning up scientific evidence to support the contention that a fetus is alive, independent of it's mother, and therefore entitled to rights.

Looking forward to the gov't issuing "conception certificates" to fetuses btw... anti-choicers arguments are so illogical and nonsensical they would have clearly batshit and impossible-to-enforce ramifications should their arguments ever be taken seriously from a legal perspective.

yeah the people that push for these kind of laws aren't doing it because they think there really is a magical cutoff point, they're trying to push the boundaries of the law to (1) make it harder for at least a few people to get abortions, and (2) get someone to challenge it in court to eventually have roe v. wade overturned. roe has a bunch of language referred to as the "trimester framework" which treats abortion laws differently depending on the stage of the pregnancy during which abortion would be restricted. so you can restrict almost all abortions during the third trimester, but really can't ban anything during the first trimester, and the second one is somewhere in between. it's been modified since then by other cases but it's still around. also it's stupid. anyway i think that's what laws like that are trying to get at.

soon it will be a crime to wear a condom

x post justine, it certainly was never the intention of Parliment that we now have abortion on demand; the loophole as I understand it for late term abortions is danger to the mental health of the mother, ie abortion on demand.

From Crimes Act 1961

3) For the purposes of sections 183 and 186 of this Act, any act specified in either of those sections is done unlawfully unless, in the case of a pregnancy of more than 20 weeks' gestation, the person doing the act believes that the miscarriage is necessary to save the life of the woman or girl or to prevent serious permanent injury to her physical or mental health

A local pro-life group is picketing at the home of the doctor who delivered me because he performs abortions. Grrr.

maybe y'should send him a note saying thank you, & keep on keepin on

(can't decontaminate the general anything-on-ilx air of snark from this post, it's meant to be a sincere, wouldn't that be nice?, suggestion)

that orig. scanned as sincere 2 me

schlump - I know my mother and her friends sent letters when he was being picketed 15 or so years ago.

I should send a letter to the editor of the local paper, they get enough crazy pro-life ones.

A local pro-life group is picketing at the home of the doctor who delivered me because he performs abortions. Grrr.

― tokyo rosemary, Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:34 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cant docs just get around this by saying they need to do a d+c for some other reason? Thats what mine did.

of course 18 years later my current doc made an offhand comment about seeing an implantation site

A 13-year-old Pennsylvania girl was treated in the hospital after police say she had an at-home abortion with a lead pencil before giving her fetus to her 30-year-old boyfriend to bury.

Hospital officials in Polk Township called authorities when they were treating the girl they believed to be “recently pregnant.”

When they questioned the child, she admitted to aborting her baby with the pencil earlier that week.
According to a criminal complaint 30-year-old Michael Lisk, believed to be the child's boyfriend, instructed her to “push really hard” while having the contractions until the child gave birth on a toilet.

Police report that Lisk then instructed the girl to wrap the fetus in a plastic bag until he arrived to bury it in his backyard.

When police arrived to question him, he reportedly dug up the body for them and described his relationship with the child as a “marriage where you have sex all the time.”

He faces charges of rape of a child, statutory sexual assault, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, corruption of a minor, concealing the death of a child and abuse of a corpse.

The girl has not been charged and is still receiving medical treatment for her injuries.

http://hiphopwired.com/2010/06/08/13-year-old-has-home-abortion-30-year-old-boyfriend-buries-fetus/

i feel ill

terrible, terrible story all around

30-year-old Michael Lisk can go fuck himself.

Seriously. That whole story is just horrifying. my god.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/nyregion/19bigcity.html?ref=nyregion

that article & its tone are such fucking bullshit I can barely contain myself

The idea is simple. It is about choice. Not choice as a euphemism for the right to have an abortion, but choice in the true sense of the word: options, informed consent and support for women trying to figure out what to do with an unwanted pregnancy.

FUCK YOU, NY TIMES: ACTUALLY WHAT-THE-WORD-MEANS-CHOICE IS WHAT THE MOVEMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT, PRO-CHOICE HAS NEVER MEANT "HOPE MORE PEOPLE HAVE ABORTIONS." NICE JOB LETTING THE RIGHT DETERMINE THE RHETORIC, NY TIMES & ALL CAPITULATING LEFTIES EVERYWHERE.

God I fuckin hate anybody who actually believes that pro-choice has ever in any way meant "opposed to people having babies who want to have babies." It's never been a euphemism: pro-choice has always & everywhere meant "it is the business of the pregnant woman, and of the pregnant woman alone, to say whether she will carry her pregnancy to term or not."

got as far as them dignifying sarah palin type "feminism" appropration

otm, was coming here to say the same thing.

xpost

that story about polk township i can't even

otm yeah my eyes still haven't unrolled after reading that.

the worst is that for some reason it doesn't seem to want to criticize palin's quote, the one about how you can "give your child life and have a career too". sure, all you have to do is go through a nine month pregnancy and painful delivery you don't want, seems fair

xposts

I am too livid to really participate in this discussion but want to say I appreciate people here who share my passion for the right of all women to full reproductive care, you are heroes, there are too few of us imo but stay strong.

i'm not even gonna read the whole thing. ugh. i do not NEED a "clear understanding of how adoption works" to get an abortion

srsly fuck the tone of this article.
also, when i worked for p.parenthood in Chicago a decade ago, we had a (prochoice) social worker from an adoption agency there on site precisely so we could immediately address the needs/questions of the (1-2% of) women who considered adoption. Other pp affiliates and clinics i worked at always supplied referrals to adoption agencies.
i also worked at clinics in cleveland, and i'm wondering if I know the woman in the article...

yeah, there are definitely planned parenthood clinics that offer adoption options. article is some bullshit.

yes. no person who provides abortion would want to give one to someone who was not informed of all options, or who did not really want to have one. it would be a liability. stupid!

i'm not even gonna read the whole thing. ugh. i do not NEED a "clear understanding of how adoption works" to get an abortion

Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's not like most women who opt for an abortion aren't aware of what adoption is or how it works.

lol gimme a break

http://gawker.com/5319627/susan-dominus-is-the-best

Oh, come on: the next person that suggests women need EXTRA EXPLAINING is probably 1) a man and 2) hasn't made it mentally to C20, never mind C21.

No, we don't agree with Susan Dominus all the time. But we're willing to forgive her, unlike her some of her more famous mustachioed peers. Anybody who can do the "Ride along with an immigrant cabbie on his first day on the job" or "The sun is out, watch as the city springs to life" pieces without making us gag is a little bit of magic. All metro color columnists sooner or later end up writing the types of man-on-the-street stories beloved by first-year J-School students ("What wisdom a shoeshine man must possess!"), but very few can do it without sounding like first-year J-School students with 20 years of hack work in their pockets.

weak

gff, wai is dis in abortions thred?

she wrote the article in q

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/10/AR2010111004032.html?hpid=moreheadlines

awesome

this is great news - a lot of how access gets restricted is by pressuring hospitals not to offer abortion services.

here's a good place to tell anybody who doesn't know about this extremely worthwhile charity

would wear a trust women badge

there's a hearing in nyc on tuesday before decisions get made about the legality of crisis pregnancy centers, in other news. i just saw 12th and delaware: these things are egregiously gross

Whoa underraterd aerosmith that is a v good charity to know about! Thanks for the scoop.

would wear a trust women badge

yup, where do i get mine

i still have mine

I can't see that this has been spoken about elsewhere, but, is this for real? http://www.birthornot.com/ This is hugely sad if it is. I expect it could be being orchestrated by a pro-life organisation. Very sad if there is a real couple behind it.

On Thursday 25th November, former Conservative MP, anti-abortion activist and Strictly Come Dancing contestant Ann Widdecombe will be speaking at a fundraiser for anti-choice group ‘Right to Life’.
Billed as a chance to hear ‘Strictly Sensation’ Widdecombe talk about the challenges facing the anti-abortion movement in Europe, the £50-a-head dinner will take place at Royal Overseas House near the Ritz Hotel in central London and will also include speeches from Labour MP Jim Dobbin and Lib Dem MP John Pugh.

Ms Widdecombe seems keen to exploit her new-found TV fame to further the anti-choice agenda - and her appearance at the fundraiser has already been picked up by the press.

We think it’s time to remind the public about the real Ann Widdecombe - and why we must protect the right to safe, legal abortion.

Abortion Rights will be staging a demo outside the venue, and we want as many of our supporters as possible to join us. So why not come along? All Strictly-related placards welcome!

http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2010/11/its_strictly_pr?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+thefword+(The+F-Word+Blog)

Like the picture they choose to go with this.

re the "birth or not" site are they seriously getting ultrasounds every week?? no wonder american health care costs are through the roof!

http://gawker.com/5694432/abortion+by+vote-probably-a-pro+life-stunt

Thought as much. Pretty pathetic.

I tried to vote to abort, but there was an error instead of a web site.

It's not an ERROR it's a CHILD JESUS <3 U

Someone on another site commented that it doesn't look like either of them would be willing to do the work required to CONCEIVE a child, since by all appearances that guy probably sweats cheese. I'm a terrible person because even though I normally go on the warpath for uh size-ist BS, I snorted. And I'm quoting it here.