Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

throwing desmond down the well seems like a really stupid move for mib though, since i'm guessing the well is one of the electromagnetic pockets like matt said and that's where widmore intended to put desmond in the first place

The donkey wheel's at the bottom of the well! So maybe he put him there intentionally.

Miles and Lapidus are just both way too cool with their personal issues at this point to survive the end of the show. Both characters definitely deserve better, though. They'll probably explode with Richard for no good reason.

we're sending our love down the well brother

the donkey wheel is at another well i think

miles still too useful as a story crutch to dispose of yet. maybe they can get him some weird time vortex where he reads the last thoughts of his own corpse, which freaks him out and kills him.

Stones on the well looked really fake.

I can't remember, was there a time lapse between the moment when island-Desmond told Widmore "sounds great! when do we start?" and when Sayid grabbed him? Like, a not-seen few minutes when Widmore could have given Des some vital information. I'm guessing that Desmond has new info that we don't know he has, and that Smokey doesn't know he has.

lol blueski

yeah mib mentioned that there are several other wells if only to signal to the viewer that this isn't the donkey wheel well.

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desmond's "sounds great! when do we start?" made it sound as though he understood the situation 100%

Desmond is the only guy who knows exactly what's happening with the timelines, he's got way too much purpose about him not to know.

Yeah the donkey wheel is under one of the Dharma stations, although there was a well there before there was a Dharma station, as we saw Locke climb down it.

Desmond giving alt-Locke a near death experience would surely lead to some weird mindmeld/timeline leaking shit?

Bit of a waste of having Pierre Chang in this episode given that he surely would have recognised Hurley from the Dharma days?

How come Pierre Chang doesn't age?

the last time he got magnetized, he saw the future -- maybe he saw the ending of the show and was cool with how it turned out, hence 'why bother being afraid?'

this is alt - pierre chang not in dharma either?

Desmond giving alt-Locke a near death experience would surely lead to some weird mindmeld/timeline leaking shit?

or locke ending up on jacks surgery table will

in the last few seconds, when they focus on Locke's face, Locke looked like he saw the love of his life, which is "walking."

or else looked like he'd just been pushed out the window by his pops, which is also a kind of flash to have

Bit of a waste of having Pierre Chang in this episode given that he surely would have recognised Hurley from the Dharma days?
this is alt - pierre chang not in dharma either?

yeah, no 815ers were ever on the island in altworld - all stuff involving them before the bomb was wiped out too

maybe horace will turn up again. would like to see phil too. and pickett (not really).

why didn't Des just get Locke to kiss Helen. maybe they don't really love each other :o

this is alt - jack kisses him on op table?

yeah, no 815ers were ever on the island in altworld - all stuff involving them before the bomb was wiped out too

I don't think this is true.

this is alt - libby isn't even an 815er

yeah, no 815ers were ever on the island in altworld - all stuff involving them before the bomb was wiped out too

but the bomb was set off by 815ers!

time travel storyline be paradoxin'

One thing is for sure, and it's that alt-Ben and alt-Ben's dad were in Dharma.

yup

and they were on the island, and they left it at some unspecified point.

didn't faraday explain the goal of the bomb was to make it so they'd never end up on the island in the first place? (meaning once they set off the bomb, they don't have to set it off "again")

in the original reality yes. the alt reality is defined by them never having been on the island...the memories they awaken being from the original.

in the original reality yes. the alt reality is defined by them never having been on the island

At home, Ben stares at his reflection in the microwave as he waits for the frozen turkey dinner for his father, Roger. While changing his father's oxygen tank, Ben reflects on how unimportant he feels at his job, especially given he has a PhD degree. Roger says he wished better for Ben and that is why he signed up with the DHARMA Initiative and moved them to the Island when Ben was a child. Roger wonders aloud whether their lives would have been better if they had stayed on the Island.

I know this is par for the course with Lost by this point but Richard casually mentioning he KNOWS WHAT THE ISLAND IS and everyone else basically shrugging it off is some next-level ridiculous.

oh come on...he meant jacob's "the island is a bottle of wine/needs to be corked" analogy from ab aeterno

polyphonic i'm just talking about the 815 people

oic

they're as wise to that kind of shit as we are, surely. "Yeah we know, the island is................ our destiny"

Oh yeah I'd forgotten the bottle of wine thing.

yeah, no 815ers were ever on the island in altworld - all stuff involving them before the bomb was wiped out too

but the bomb was set off by 815ers!

time travel storyline be paradoxin'

yeah this still confuses me massively

there's no paradox, the whole point of alternate universes is that they allow you to have time travel without paradoxes

ehh

it's not really a parallel universe; it's defined by SOMETHING happening/not happening that did happen/didn't happen in the regular timeline

i mean, they could have done a parallel universe where ben's father never went to the island, or where jack never trained to be a doctor, or where kate never took up a lyfe of crime, but they didn't

How do we know it's defined that way?

uh thats kind of how parallel universes all work isnt it? xpost

ok stopping myself before i go on some long-winded diatribe about parallel universe theories in the philosophy of science on the fucking lost thread, what the hell is wrong with me

It is pretty frustrating that after this many sideways flashes we still don't know for sure when or how this alt-timeline branched off. Does Marvin Candle remember Le Fleur and his adult son from the island? Did wiping out the 815 crash somehow also wipe away the 1950 and 1977 contacts the Others and Dharma made with the 815ers? (And if so then how did the Incident go down?) Did MIB escape or drown? Does Eloise know shit about the original TL the same way Libby & Daniel (& now Hurley, Charlie, & Desmond) do, or is she still on some Timelord steez?

Doesn't seem like there's time to answer all of this as well as provide the Island mythology in 5 more hours (4 without the commercials.)

Or I guess the finale is 2 hours--so 6 more hours.

the only certain thing that separates sideways from the original is that oceanic 815 never crash in the sideways, right? so the 815ers never make any contact with the dharma

But they were already there in 1977 and earlier. You can branch off timelines but you can't yank shit out of the past.

too hard to suss that out. the island sank for some reason.

+ also desmond never got on the yacht

but it's not like they were on the island in 77 before they were there in 2004, so it's not really yanking shit out of the past

It is pretty frustrating that after this many sideways flashes we still don't know for sure when or how this alt-timeline branched off.

yes it is, because here we are two thirds of the way in and we still don't know what's at stake. we sort of know where our rooting interest is supposed to lie but we certainly don't know what we're rooting for. and none of our leads has yet done a goddamn thing for their own reasons.

still...

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100219000451/lostpedia/images/thumb/d/d7/S6cast.jpg/800px-S6cast.jpg

the way I see is there's a fork in time at the time of the explosion in 1977. You have one timeline with the crash and another without. everything before is the same. Since the 815ers went back in time to 1974, they are in the common past of both timelines.

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So Ben and Roger Linus left the island after the explosion?

A lot of this makes my head hurt, but:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Benjamin_Linus_(flash-sideways_timeline)/Theories