abortion classic or dud?

the asterisks were to explain that LMP stands for "last menstrual period."

Another thing girls just "know" because you have to tell the doctors every time you go to the GYN.

haha i like never know the answer to that one

awkward boners not really feeling like such a biological scourge reading this thread anymore

i remember seeing a programme on abortion where they showed an early one where they inserted like a tube and it did a suction thing maybe and it took abt five minutes in total it seemed, surely that's not what costs 415 on that list(?)

Yes, it is. And the clinics make no money at that price. There are a lot of steps before and after the procedure: phone screening, ultrasound, counseling, blood typing, maybe starting an IV for sedation, recovery room, nurses on call.

When I'm not on any BC, I never know my LMP, I just go with how I feel that day and decide, "Yeah, it's probably about to start," or "I'm probably close to ovulation" or whatever. I never, ever look at a calendar. Lately, though, I always know.

I haven't met a pro-choice woman younger than 25 in years. (However, I mostly talk to working class and/or ethnic women, so that is probabally skewing the results.)

I was pro-life in high school. It's mostly because you're at the age where things are taught to you in black and white, so you think in black and white, and it's easy to point fingers when you a. haven't had to support yourself and b. you may not have even had sex yet

That's what I was thinking, too.

this is probably an icky stereotype, but i've always assumed that women between the age of, say, 17-25 that are pro-life are "frigid virgins." uncharitable (and maybe sexist?) but it ties in pretty well with shakey's hypo re: opinions on pre-marital sex ----> abortion

like, any young woman with an active sex life that involves birth control is aware of situations in which those precautions might ~fail~ and despite any protestations to the contrary, i'm guessing that even the staunchest pre-marital sex-havin' pro-lifer would reassess her beliefs if she got Knocked Up

If abortion had even been DISCUSSED (that I was aware of) I can guarantee I would have been pro-life, because I was pro-every other shitty conservative worldview, that's for sure.

i'm guessing that even the staunchest pre-marital sex-havin' pro-lifer would reassess her beliefs if she got Knocked Up

― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Thursday, 15 April 2010 14:44 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

It would be nice to think so. More likely, they'd be all "Jesus has sent me a trial for me to ascend to heaven, or be forever damned" ....

they'd just raise a dangerously repressed telekinetic imo

no idea how to google for this... i read a collection of anecdotal evidence from abortion providers who had served pro-life parents whose daughters had become pregnant. funny, they nearly all expected special treatment. "is there another door we can come in and out of?" etc.

really wish i could find that again.

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

well that wasn't hard.

door marked 'hypocrites' in neon

I've counseled thousands of women having abortions and a refrain I heard pretty frequently was, "I'm against abortion...for everybody but me."

like, any young woman with an active sex life that involves birth control is aware of situations in which those precautions might ~fail~ and despite any protestations to the contrary, i'm guessing that even the staunchest pre-marital sex-havin' pro-lifer would reassess her beliefs if she got Knocked Up

The ones I knew just went ahead and had the baby.

in ref to: "Better to just hope you don't have a baby" or whatever:

Better than what? We're talking about people for whom the EC is not an option.

new zealand abortion law is based on fetus viability, i.e. you can't legally terminate a pregnancy later than 20 weeks bc a fetus is considered to be viable outside the womb at that stage.

― just1n3, Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:03 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
bahhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Hi Justine, I dont think this is nz law, we have abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy.

Still as sad as it ever was, oh well.

fetus viability is such a weird precept

agreed

ummm if that's the case, then it's changed in the last 10yrs. it was certainly not legal in 2002.

from the wikipedia page on nz abortion law:

Abortion is not allowed under any circumstances after 20 weeks of pregnancy except to save the woman's life.

fyi 'to save the woman's life' excludes the woman's threats to kill herself if she has to go through with the pregnancy.

Specific exclusion.

we just got rid of that in ireland

rid of what? abortion is legal there?

Nope, I think that we won't force a woman to stay in the country any more if we think she's travelling to abort.

i meant, you used to be able to have an abortion if you were assessed to be suicidal as a result of the pregnancy. We had a whole referendum to get rid of it.

lonely gal just thinking abort things

:D

Good summary of the Nebraska law re 20 weeks
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18785-briefing-new-law-claims-a-fetus-can-feel-pain.html?full=true

Although I'm surprised that anyone really thinks it's relevant, whether or not you believe it should have human rights or w/ev surely the fact that its life is being ended is the 'key' point?

no the key point for anti-choicers is ginning up scientific evidence to support the contention that a fetus is alive, independent of it's mother, and therefore entitled to rights.

Looking forward to the gov't issuing "conception certificates" to fetuses btw... anti-choicers arguments are so illogical and nonsensical they would have clearly batshit and impossible-to-enforce ramifications should their arguments ever be taken seriously from a legal perspective.

yeah the people that push for these kind of laws aren't doing it because they think there really is a magical cutoff point, they're trying to push the boundaries of the law to (1) make it harder for at least a few people to get abortions, and (2) get someone to challenge it in court to eventually have roe v. wade overturned. roe has a bunch of language referred to as the "trimester framework" which treats abortion laws differently depending on the stage of the pregnancy during which abortion would be restricted. so you can restrict almost all abortions during the third trimester, but really can't ban anything during the first trimester, and the second one is somewhere in between. it's been modified since then by other cases but it's still around. also it's stupid. anyway i think that's what laws like that are trying to get at.

soon it will be a crime to wear a condom

x post justine, it certainly was never the intention of Parliment that we now have abortion on demand; the loophole as I understand it for late term abortions is danger to the mental health of the mother, ie abortion on demand.

From Crimes Act 1961

3) For the purposes of sections 183 and 186 of this Act, any act specified in either of those sections is done unlawfully unless, in the case of a pregnancy of more than 20 weeks' gestation, the person doing the act believes that the miscarriage is necessary to save the life of the woman or girl or to prevent serious permanent injury to her physical or mental health

A local pro-life group is picketing at the home of the doctor who delivered me because he performs abortions. Grrr.

maybe y'should send him a note saying thank you, & keep on keepin on

(can't decontaminate the general anything-on-ilx air of snark from this post, it's meant to be a sincere, wouldn't that be nice?, suggestion)

that orig. scanned as sincere 2 me

schlump - I know my mother and her friends sent letters when he was being picketed 15 or so years ago.

I should send a letter to the editor of the local paper, they get enough crazy pro-life ones.

A local pro-life group is picketing at the home of the doctor who delivered me because he performs abortions. Grrr.

― tokyo rosemary, Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:34 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cant docs just get around this by saying they need to do a d+c for some other reason? Thats what mine did.

of course 18 years later my current doc made an offhand comment about seeing an implantation site

A 13-year-old Pennsylvania girl was treated in the hospital after police say she had an at-home abortion with a lead pencil before giving her fetus to her 30-year-old boyfriend to bury.

Hospital officials in Polk Township called authorities when they were treating the girl they believed to be “recently pregnant.”

When they questioned the child, she admitted to aborting her baby with the pencil earlier that week.
According to a criminal complaint 30-year-old Michael Lisk, believed to be the child's boyfriend, instructed her to “push really hard” while having the contractions until the child gave birth on a toilet.

Police report that Lisk then instructed the girl to wrap the fetus in a plastic bag until he arrived to bury it in his backyard.

When police arrived to question him, he reportedly dug up the body for them and described his relationship with the child as a “marriage where you have sex all the time.”

He faces charges of rape of a child, statutory sexual assault, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, corruption of a minor, concealing the death of a child and abuse of a corpse.

The girl has not been charged and is still receiving medical treatment for her injuries.

http://hiphopwired.com/2010/06/08/13-year-old-has-home-abortion-30-year-old-boyfriend-buries-fetus/

i feel ill

terrible, terrible story all around

30-year-old Michael Lisk can go fuck himself.

Seriously. That whole story is just horrifying. my god.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/nyregion/19bigcity.html?ref=nyregion

that article & its tone are such fucking bullshit I can barely contain myself

The idea is simple. It is about choice. Not choice as a euphemism for the right to have an abortion, but choice in the true sense of the word: options, informed consent and support for women trying to figure out what to do with an unwanted pregnancy.

FUCK YOU, NY TIMES: ACTUALLY WHAT-THE-WORD-MEANS-CHOICE IS WHAT THE MOVEMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT, PRO-CHOICE HAS NEVER MEANT "HOPE MORE PEOPLE HAVE ABORTIONS." NICE JOB LETTING THE RIGHT DETERMINE THE RHETORIC, NY TIMES & ALL CAPITULATING LEFTIES EVERYWHERE.

God I fuckin hate anybody who actually believes that pro-choice has ever in any way meant "opposed to people having babies who want to have babies." It's never been a euphemism: pro-choice has always & everywhere meant "it is the business of the pregnant woman, and of the pregnant woman alone, to say whether she will carry her pregnancy to term or not."

got as far as them dignifying sarah palin type "feminism" appropration

otm, was coming here to say the same thing.

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