A new 30 Rock thread because I can't find the old one

Donaghy's last two girlfriends, for ex. are smart, capable women (in both cases a bit smarter and more capable than Jack himself)

Doyle mentions Donaghy's girlfriends but dismisses them for being on the show too briefly:

There is Jenna, of course, whose plotlines typically center around how vapid, unstable, narcissistic, and foolishly ambitious she is; there is Cerie (or, there was Cerie, before the character got put on the Josh Track and stopped really showing up in any episodes at all), Liz’s assistant, whose main role was to use her extremely beautiful body as a means to set up punchlines, those punchlines usually consisting of men getting turned on by her extremely beautiful body, and whose few character moments indicated that she was shallow, oversexed, and profoundly stupid; there are the high-profile female guest stars who play Jack’s love interests every season, who are usually pretty sharp and tough and interesting (Edie Falco, as the liberal senator against whale torture who was turned on by the degradation of sleeping with uber-Republican Jack, being a particular favorite) but always disappear after a few episodes because they are famous; there is Jack’s mother, always a delight, but a rare delight; there is “Girl Writer,” who had fewer lines than even Josh, to the extent of only having a speaking part in one episode. And the episode culminated with a joke about Girl Writer being date raped.

since the show is largely about a "woman making it in a man's world" it seems odd to complain that the world she's making it in is primarily populated with... men (all of whom are also shallow, narcissistic, idiots btw. this is a COMEDY) Dismissing the g/fs and Jack's mom as not being central characters is some weak sauce. Looking for paragons of virtue in a comedy is totally fucking stupid, I'm sorry. All the characters, in order to be funny, are, on some level, required to be silly, overblown caricatures with conventionally unattractive traits. that is how comedy works.

you can't populate a comedy entirely with "straight" roles knowhutimean

Female writer is the third female writer though, after Liz and Sue, so f this. Also this season Cerie joeks have moved away from 'lol attractive female' to 'lol she can teach old ppl to use facebook'.

altho I admit a fascination with how much "feminism" seems to routinely involve women sniping at each other a la the Judean People's Front vs. the People's Front of Judea

"Girl Writer" has a name: Laroche Vanderhoot.

altho I admit a fascination with how much "feminism" seems to routinely involve women sniping at each other a la the Judean People's Front vs. the People's Front of Judea

so OTM

since the show is largely about a "woman making it in a man's world" it seems odd to complain that the world she's making it in is primarily populated with... men (all of whom are also shallow, narcissistic, idiots btw. this is a COMEDY) Dismissing the g/fs and Jack's mom as not being central characters is some weak sauce. Looking for paragons of virtue in a comedy is totally fucking stupid, I'm sorry. All the characters, in order to be funny, are, on some level, required to be silly, overblown caricatures with conventionally unattractive traits. that is how comedy works.

i know right i mean it is not like this is mad men or anything

krakowski is not that attractive for someone on tv, has this been mentioned

more than dratch at least

but yeah

dratch is a genuine ugly person

You guys are cruel.

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eh, "uh, hi welcome to ilx" is a little vague

but accurate

i love rachel dratch. u ppl are vile

i think jane krakowski might be as much jenna as tracy morgan is tracy jordan but i love her too

and i hate all of you and feminist blogosphere clickbait kerfuffles

^^^^^^^^^

rachel dratch is awesome just for debbie downer

And the hot tub luvah.

I would love it if the show had Dratch AND Krakowski.

Dratch was a humour vacuum about 50% of the time on 30 Rock.

Her happy hooker and blue dude appearances made up for all the vacuum and then some.

cat lady!

i wish they could've kept Dratch on along with Krakowski, even as just recurring... maybe not what they did for the first season, but as a Dr. Spaceman type

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/21/1590916/tina-fey-is-a-master-at-playing.html

Huh, we got two new episodes tonight.

I admit I totally LOL'd at "Hey, it's Chelsea Handler!"

"Bitch Hunter" had me actually rolling on the floor laughing.

both of these episodes were FIRE

surprised they didn't grab http://lizlemonparty.org/ while it's free

I only saw the one about Liz throwing a party but holy hell

I was kind of angry about Tracy being in a dog collar until it turned really fucking funny; also Tracy Sr was amazing

new nicknames for Twofer. "Kanye East!"

I was dying at the replacement nicknames for Toofer, but now I can only remember 'Kanye East'.

haha xpost

Threefer

"Peanut Butter & Miller High Life" taffy.

BITCHHUNTER

I have to say re: "Bitch Hunter" that's the way to do a celebrity cameo on this show.

seriously.

i must have missed that second ep! will have to steal that tonight.

i died at Liz slipping into German when she was getting all worked up btw!

DIED!

shit - missed the second episode cuz wife wanted to watch Project Runway...

lol'd the hardest at "Ain't no party like a Liz Lemon party cuz a Liz Lemon party is MANDATORY"

Just now watching some episodes I missed. That Will Ferrel cameo for "Bitch Hunter" was the funniest thing he's ever done.

Wow nice NBC logo! It's fresh!

"Don't you remember your wedding vows?"
"To be honest, I couldn't understand anything Rick James was saying!"