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i tried to get my bros to see 'miami vice' and they were all like, 'eh'. i guess they had to go knit or something, lol. so yeah i'm going to end up seeing it with my gf, though her enthusiasm for the film is somewhat muted compared to mine. i don't know why, i don't see how the formula of 'guns + grizzle + gong li' cannot result in anything other than funtime.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

cuz fuckin Colin Farrell is in it? I liked "Heat" okay but the cult of Michael Mann mystifies me - this looks like super-shiny garbage.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

it's not very shiny, actually.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

i'm still trying to figure out my take on this... but i guess i'd say there was some stuff i loved but it ultimately felt like 2/3rds of a movie. some fucking AMAZING-looking stuff though. i was actually quite shocked how dark and grainy, gainy, and generally video-y he let it look. ultimately i think collateral may have been more successfully, visually (combining the video with the film was actually quite a good idea in retrospect).

i would say... get really high and see this.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

oh that's just code for "this blows"

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

i actually kinda like colin farrell in this, though him and jamie foxx are pretty much ciphers. still i dug no backstory & no lame wisecracking. very SERIOUS.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

I liked "Heat" okay but the cult of Michael Mann mystifies me

i like michael mann a lot and i think heat is one of his most run-of-the-mill endeavors. it's not a great movie (or even a great premise), it just has big "actor's studio" type stars and it caught the public attention at the right time.

― gothic Buddhist meets Old Hollywood (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

i'm just glad it's not an ironic piss-take of a film

― gear (gear), Thursday, 27 July 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

heat is great, mann is great, i will like this no matter what.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think the average member of the public would have trouble remembering Heat unprompted.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno, the "famous confrontation of two of Hollywood's etc etc" is repeated in clip shows and whatnot often enough.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:14 (nineteen years ago)

haha Medulla Oblongta speech got the first spontaneous audience cheer since (ugh) Fahrenheit 911.

I can see why some people don't get it, the Havana scenes and some of the buddy interaction were stilted, but good God when Mann is focused and stripped down it is indeed BADASS.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 28 July 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

i kind of think that A MICHAEL MANN film that stayed true to the style and era of original miami vice could have been a high water mark for our 80s obsessed generation. if he's completely updated it then i don't see the point. i haven't seen it yet but it's the first film this summer that's grabbed my attention.

― michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 28 July 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

The point = explosions! camraderie! stilted, technical tough-guy dialogue! Gong Li!

A Michael Mann film with a complete disregard for mainstream movie conventions - no romance, no family life, even less closure - might just be the greatest film ever.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 28 July 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

t/s: buying Heat to watch this weekend, or just going to see this again at a Sunday matinee...

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 28 July 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

you could probably do both for $15 bucks tops

― gear (gear), Friday, 28 July 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

xp. explosions and camaraderie are great in anyone's language. i just thought this could be something special IN A BIG WAY in the right hands. i should prob accept the fact that the world goes on outside my head rather than in it.

― michael wells (michael w.), Saturday, 29 July 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

lf you being too rough on Miami. there are better cities of course, but they are all not in the united states.

(as for this movie: it is supposed to be nice to look at.. i will not get raped by any movie theater to see it though. third run, the apollo, i'm there)

― trees (treesessplode), Saturday, 29 July 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

what I'm also wondering is what kind of idiot is Michael Mann for changing the clothing/style by purposefully setting it not-in-the-1980s? Versace and Armani's Spring '07 collections are BASED on the colors, fabrics and cuts of 1980s Miami fashion drug discotheque fabulosos. (They're nice-looking clothes).

― trees (treesessplode), Saturday, 29 July 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

win-win!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Saturday, 29 July 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

i'm sooo looking forward to the 1989 fashion revival -- benetton meets nubian pride meets chili peppers skatebaggy!

― gothic Buddhist meets Old Hollywood (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 29 July 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

WHERE IS MOTION PICTURE REMAKE

http://tvphotogalleries.com/data/699/10-9699-sm.jpg

― gothic Buddhist meets Old Hollywood (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 29 July 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

wow this was great! gorgeous throughtout, and such a MICHAEL MANN movie. luckily i love those.

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 29 July 2006 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

I really liked it too, though Colin Farrell's American accent is ridiculous.
I think a lot of the negative reviews of it are by people unable to divest themselves of their preconceptions about movies based on TV shows.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 29 July 2006 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

i thought it was sort of "mann-ish" in a slightly depressing way. the way that "face/off" was woo-ish. kind of an interesting movie in some respects, though i was bored for a lot of it.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 29 July 2006 07:06 (nineteen years ago)

The pictures were just beautiful, beautiful. I don't know enough about film school stuff to express the how the texture of the digital pictures pushes buttons associated with old TV shows in just the right way.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 29 July 2006 07:12 (nineteen years ago)

i like michael mann a lot. however, colin farrell is unwatchable.

― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Saturday, 29 July 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

A Michael Mann film with a complete disregard for mainstream movie conventions - no romance, no family life, even less closure - might just be the greatest film ever.

Possibly, but not Miami Vice. I suppose the zero chemistry between Gong Li and Colin Farrell qualifies as anti-romance though. Closure it's got: the conclusion's unsentimental shorthand was perfect. But for most of the film's two-hour-plus running time we got an unsmiling "NYPD Blue" episode with little of the original show's splendid vulgarity (Gong and Farrell going to Cuba for mojitos and a few dozen shower-fucks excepted).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps reactions differ based on one's reaction to the TV show (me: hives).

― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

As I just told a friend, did it ever occur to Mann to cast Jamie Foxx as Crockett? At least audience empathy would have been assured.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

i always figured if this film were made, matthew mcconaughey would be crockett. i was wrong!

― gear (gear), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

i always figured if this film were made, matthew mcconaughey would be crockett. i was wrong!

i think i suggested owen wilson upthread.

― gothic Buddhist meets Old Hollywood (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 29 July 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

(he's too goofy-looking though. not that colin farrell isn't goofy-looking, but you know.)

― gothic Buddhist meets Old Hollywood (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 29 July 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

what about brad pitt? he's got the muscles and the suave-redneck thing, but he doesn't read "smart" to me the way don johnson's crockett did. don was perfect for the role because he always looked like his brain was engaged when he was solving cases, and he wasn't JUST delivering cop-show lines.

― gothic Buddhist meets Old Hollywood (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 29 July 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

this was pretty kewl imho, but there was pretty much no way it couldn't be what with colin farrell's crazy facial hair situation and whatnot. gear otm about everything ever

ps. http://www.glumbert.com/media/roast.html

― BUJU DANSON (Adrian Langston), Sunday, 30 July 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Uh people Don Johnson was TOTALLY goofy looking!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 30 July 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/IMAGES/MMPH/263775.jpg

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 30 July 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

a big part of the appeal of his character for me was that yeah, he was tough and smart but you could tell he was also a real cornball cheesy motherfucker if you ever softened him up enough, or if he'd had enough drinks. crockett was a natural romantic underneath, i mean he lives on a boat! there was this big.. jimmy buffett fan lurking away under there or something.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 30 July 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

This could've been a great 4-hour HBO miniseries - as it is, it felt like some plot points and incidents were either rushed through or incidental (imagine the expense of creating that casino in Paraguay, when there is hardly a substantial scene there that takes place outside the boss's office).

And too much Audioslave. But it's so fucking gorgeous that I'd be glad to watch it a few more times (and probably will). Funny how the landscape images are equal to the action in Mann's films - how Collateral is as much about just driving around L.A. as it is about people and guns.

― Eazy (Eazy), Sunday, 30 July 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm a fiend for a mojito."

― Tab Hunter loves to take his shirt off (kenan), Sunday, 30 July 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

Silliness: A tough-minded businesswoman who lives with a drug lord is *so blinded* by *extreme love and betrayal* that she walks through the middle of a gunfight so she can have a hysterical slap-happy wrestling match with her boyfriend. That's more than words.

― Tab Hunter loves to take his shirt off (kenan), Sunday, 30 July 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

i was actually quite shocked how dark and grainy, gainy, and generally video-y he let it look.

I liked the result it gave... All the Miami scenes looked like they were filmed by a surveillance camera. Nice offset to the old-world brokendownness of Cuba & Haiti.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 30 July 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

yes yes yes

― gothic Buddhist meets Old Hollywood (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 30 July 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

he was a star wide receiver for florida before 'Nam scuttled any shot of a pro career yknow.

― j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 30 July 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Did one of the hookers at the beginning look like Nelly Furtado to anyone else?

― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 30 July 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

did they just drop teh whole "inside job at the fbi" subplot or is it me?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 30 July 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

It got dropped completely. The EW with Foxx and the leprechaun on the cover says that this was an alternate ending Mann had to go to because of the studio and Foxx refusing to go back to Latin America/the Dominican.

― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 30 July 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

I always like the Slate spoiler mp3.

http://media.slate.com/podcast/Slate_Spoiler_Vice.mp3

― Tab Hunter loves to take his shirt off (kenan), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

I've read a lot of critics say that the movie doesn't have a lot in common with the TV series, but I don't think that's quite true. It's ridiculously stylized, but all Mann is. More importantly, its plot is thick, its exposition almost nonexistant, its themes heavy but a little ill-presented, and its characterizations very, very thin. This is true of even (perhaps especially) the best episodes of the TV show. It's all sex and violence and macho fantasy (did I see Gong Li crying during sex?) and, well, I kinda loved it. I won't remember anything about it in a month except for the way it looked, but hey.

― Tab Hunter loves to take his shirt off (kenan), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

Haha I noticed the crying! I was like "is fucking Colin Farrell really that awful?" (Yes, probably.)

― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 30 July 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

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