2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

i'm just trying to be fair to both sides

and speaking of th document dump... ABC talks to persons who were at those NAFTA meetings detailed in HRC's schedules, who all attest that she is totally full of shit about opposing NAFTA within the administration.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/from-the-fact-c.html

fair AND balanced

I beat you by 3 minutes, elmo. I am the winner.

it's interesting how it came out just before the release of the Clinton records

-- gabbneb, Friday, 21 March 2008 21:28 (4 minutes ago) Link

if it had come out on that day when there were no negative news stories about the Clintons, I wouldn't be so suspicious...

i thought it was pretty well documented that hillary wasn't NAFTA's biggest fan from the beginning but she went with it anyway because her hsuband really believed in it

this is total bullshit and contrary to the evidence. lolz Americans with no memory

The lede:

I have now talked to three former Clinton Administration officials whom I trust who tell me that then-First Lady Hillary Clinton opposed the idea of introducing NAFTA before health care, but expressed no reservations in public or private about the substance of NAFTA.

well I was like 5 years old when NAFTA passed so excuse me for not remembering.

if it had come out on that day when there were no negative news stories about the Clintons, I wouldn't be so suspicious...

O the land of cloudless day,
O the land of an unclouded day,
O they tell me of a home where no storm clouds rise,
O they tell me of an uncloudy day.

Big picture, everyone now knows that Obama has belonged to a Christian church for 20 years.

Big picture, everyone now knows that Obama has belonged to a Christian church crazy racist jew-hating cult for 20 years.

And those clips came out at the start of a week without a primary, so it may turn out that the timing was almost ideal for Obama.

yeah ive been thinking that. he's got an insurmountable delagte lead, next rounds of primaries weeks away, etc.

hrc friend: this is exactly what hilary was talking about when she said he hadn't been vetted yet!

FOX news anchors walking off set in protest to the Obama-bashing on their network: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mayhem-at-fox-news-ancho_n_92743.html

haha okay, when FoxNews is offending their own employees...!

im pretty sure that dude was walking off as a joke

not like thatll stop dailykos posters from going nutz over it

Chris Wallace is a bozo

he's my favorite of the FOX anchors, actually.

I think Chris Wallace is actually/arguably/supposed to be the closest thing they have to a real journalist there, and sorta gets beat up slightly on air by Brit Hume, his managing editor, in a milder version of the Hannity-Colmes relationship.

he's my favorite of the FOX anchors, actually.

this is like having a favorite venereal disease

maybe it's a show, but if it is it might reflect something real

this is like having a favorite venereal disease

Since I don't have cable, I know only the anchors I can watch in bits at friends' or my parents', but FOX's don't seem any more vapid than CNN's (ugh, Wolf Blitzer and Lou Dobbs).

don't get me started on Lou Dobbs

Blitzer just seems kind of incompetent and incapable of modulating the volume of his voice, Dobbs seems genuinely loathsome in his demogoguery

Meet the White Guy Who Inspired Rev. Wright's Chickens-Comin-Home Comments

tho of course it's a malcolm ref, just worth pointing out

Shepard Smith did a good job in the Katrina aftermath.

"Just yesterday, we heard Sen. McCain confuse Sunni and Shiite, Iran and Al Qaeda," said Obama. "Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no Al Qaeda ties. Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America's enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades."

zing!

daaaaaaamn

Shepard Smith did a good job in the Katrina aftermath. so did geraldo(in his own breathless fashion), that's no reason to encourage him.

Blitzer just seems kind of incompetent and incapable of modulating the volume of his voice

otm. actually it seems like his voice just doesn't naturally project and he can't afford to not speak near the top of his voice most of the time.

well apparently 79% of lou dobb's viewers think hilary is hurting the party.

so there's that.

yeah everybody on cnn seems to be shouting lately

are you people just now figuring out that blitzer talks like a mongoloid? i can't get past it, dude is the most grating voice in all broadcasting

... mongoloid?

i think u need to clarify lololz.

urbandictionary.com

Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
Happier than you and me
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
One chromosome too many
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one knew
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
His friends were unaware
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
Nobody even cared

3AM girl's Obama ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXmYVRIpu2w

To: Interested Parties
From: The Clinton Campaign
Date: March 21, 2008
RE: Obama Campaign: Just Words

At this point, it's no secret that the Obama campaign is in political hot water given the news stories of the last few weeks and is desperate to change the subject.

The ground is shifting away from them and their response?

First, disenfranchise voters - Prevent new votes in Florida and Michigan. Stop voting in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Oregon, West Virginia, Puerto Rico, Kentucky, South Dakota, Montana, West Virginia and Indiana.

Second, peddle photos of President Clinton shaking hands with Reverend Wright less than 48 hours after calling for a high-minded conversation on race. Well, President Clinton took tens of thousands of photos during his eight years as president. Stop the presses.

Third, accuse our campaign of having something to do with Senator Obama's passport file being breached, a reckless charge that has zero merit.

Fourth, continue attacks on Senator Clinton's character in an effort to implement what the Chicago Tribune called a full assault on her ethics.

Fifth, stonewall the press: no tax returns, no state records, no answers about the inconsistencies in the Rezko story.

So it's not a pretty sight - it's all part of a pattern of just words.

Senator Obama talks about voter participation while actively disenfranchising millions.

He calls for high minded debates while practicing lowdown politics.

He promises a different kind of campaign while attacking Hillary's character.

He promises transparency while hiding basic info and stonewalling the press.

It's no wonder that Americans are coming to see that for all of his lofty rhetoric, Senator Obama's candidacy is really just words.

It's no surprise that Americans are expressing serious doubts about his ability to answer the 3am call.

It's no wonder that top journalists are calling the Obama campaign desperate, saying that it's amateur hour in Chicago.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/President_Nixon_and_chief_advisers_1970.png

Third, accuse our campaign of having something to do with Senator Obama's passport file being breached, a reckless charge that has zero merit.

huh?

apparently matt drudge is part of the obama campaign now??

i dunno either

at this point their chutzpah impresses me much more than it provokes, so that's a huge step in the right direction.

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If you click through on the SNL link it's to a Hilz sockpuppet site.

Does the Hillary campaign have any policies of their own other than Don't Vote For Obama?

lolololz @ Fox & Friends anchor trying desperately to avoid saying "typical black person"

“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week.

^^^Cajun Style^^^