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Ginger lefties

― onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/imgs/content/mick-hucknall.jpg

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Argies

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

jon gaunt

― djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

And blacks.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Rightwing pundits don't have quite the sway in the UK they have in the U.S. because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain. The UK doesn't have that gigantic Jesus-and-gun-loving constituency that exists in the U.S.

― underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain

What?

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

You heard me.

― underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

The whole political compass = right of centre main parties + "extremist crackpots"

― onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

"Little" being the operative word

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

skewed towards the US left, i.e. the right by any 20th century standard.

― Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Talking of crackpots, get a read of the Scottish Christian Party manifesto:

9. Prisons
The Scottish Christian Party believes that the much needed extra prison
capacity should be purchased from developing countries for the purpose
of catering for Scotland’s medium Security Prisons. This should take the
form of building state of the art prison facilities in developing countries
that wish to host Scottish Prisons.
Advantages would include:
1. Less overcrowded prisons, cheaper costs and greater efficiency
2. More resources at home to look after our worst offenders properly
3. More economic trade instead of aid handouts to developing
countries
4. Raising prison standards in developing countries by example and
the provision of expertise.

― onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

They say this is no different to setting up call centres abroad.

― onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

'by any 20th century standard'

what now?

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

do they have less sway cos the most emotive right / left battles have been "won"? ie the unions, the acceptability of prejudice? i think they are "learning" from the american's clarkson's whole schtick is provication isn't it, look how angry i can make these daft eco-nuts!

― acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Between 1980 and the present the whole political spectrum in the western world has been drifting rightwards back into liberalism (with certain conservative tendencies)

― Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

british journalism is more frivolous and clubbable than US journalism. all UK hacks know each other. this probably isn't so much the case in the states.

yes ed i know. but the idea that liberalism is the worst the 20th century right has to offer is batshit insane. as is the idea that welfare capitalism was some kind of 'left'. even without factoring in the fact that at the start of the century liberalism was kind of... left-wing.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

outsourcing prisons to eastern european countries in the EC - who will be the first New Labour or Tories?

― djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Send 'em all to Botany Bay.

I think for historical reasons the U.S. has this strong libertarian streak (ie right to bear arms etc.) coupled with a strong religious/puritan streak. Put the two together and they coelesce into a very strong, very dynamic right-wing culture that simply doesn't exist in the UK. And that's why rightwing pundits don't have so much sway. I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

― underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

Not where it matters he isn't

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Rightwing pundits have an absolute fuckload of sway, party politics is an irrelevence here. Ask White Van Man what he thinks about asylum seekers.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I would say that liberalism was progressive not left- wing per say. And whether or not you think 'welfare capitalism' is of the left or not, the centre is to the right of even that now.

― Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost to Tom D.

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

― underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

british reactionary right is xenophobic and defensive rather than on constant attack like the americans?

― acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

We'll see how good that guess is when he wins the next election. Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it. Cameron is only "radical" when it comes to wearing a wind turbine on your head or cycling backwards on a bicycle made entirely of radishes

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link

You sure you're not mixing up David Cameron with John Otway?

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

And Wild Willie Whitelaw?

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

upthread are you dudes talking economic or social liberalism? or both?

― acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

both

― Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

Sure, Cameron didn't come up with free healthcare! But the political climate is such that he'd have a hard time getting rid of it. Which underlines my point about the political background being skewed more leftwards in the UK, despite years of Thatcher/Blair.

― underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

"Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it."

well except for things involving teeth or eyes, ie the only two things i ever go in for...

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

just going to say

― Alan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

We'll see how hard a time he has getting rid of it, it'll be less hard than you think once he persuades the middle classes it's in their interest (xxpost)

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I think if it were politically possible to get rid of the NHS, it would have already been done. Anyway, doesn't Cameron have a disabled kid or something. He probably uses the NHS more than the average Tory.

― underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

They are getting rid of it already, piece by piece

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

um guys the nhs is already on the way out...

xpost!

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

BUT immigration is the no 1 concern of uk voters! apprently. maybe my first hypothesis was v v wrong.

― acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Not according to the most recent polls.

― Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Being tough on immigration didn't do Michael Howard much good last time round did it?

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

... and wasn't Cameron one of those responsible for that policy?

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

parties don't campaign on 'number one concern of voters' in general but the voters who will swing the election, ie middle england blah blah blah.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Middle england (according to the polls) cares about health and house prices.

― Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

healthy ~~and~~ house prices

fixed

― onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

what on earth could their problem be with house prices!? they are winning that war. it would be interesting to know the nature of middle england's concern w. health -- taking my parents as barometer of same, their problem isn't exactly lack of service but quality of it: hospital bugs etc. a move by the tories towards increased private provision probably wouldn't phase them too much.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

their kids getting on the property ladder?

― acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Having to live near poor people?

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

are the right wing pundits repping for "middle england" thou? as dom points out Littlejohn is, or at least was, the voice of white van man. all the big scares of recent years have focused on working class fears as much as middle england haven't they?

― acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

the fact that homeowners who actually rent their houses from the bank think theyre rich overnight and are spending the paper money they dont have?

― 600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha ha, who cares about "working class fears"?

― Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Difference between white working class fears of immigration and middle England fears of immigration? Straightforward difference of economics vs culture?

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

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Talking to friends and acquaintances is different, I agree with you there anvil, but I don't "debate" my friends no matter how shitty their thoughts might be. I'll say what I believe if asked, I'm not in the conversion business

― Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 17:41 (three weeks ago) link

the actual relevant situation here is that your friend/relative is sharing approvingly an article by a British Right-Wing Pundit

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 24 May 2024 17:47 (three weeks ago) link

roll your eyes, tell them to get tae fuck, talk about something else. avoid interaction if the habit gets unbearable

― Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 18:13 (three weeks ago) link

From that video I'd say the lessons the younger crowd are learning is to simply cut contact with friends and family who turn into bigots.

My kind of people.

― xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2024 19:27 (three weeks ago) link

I admire anybody who's able to do that, fuck engaging with a nazi

― Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2024 20:58 (three weeks ago) link

Yup, its rough

― xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2024 22:08 (three weeks ago) link

Love this “actually the right are the REAL progressives” line being pushed everywhere

Just say you're voting tory pic.twitter.com/HwJPdFukRk
— Generic English Teacher (@TabitaSurge) May 26, 2024

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 26 May 2024 12:57 (three weeks ago) link

tragic how these lifelong leftists have reluctantly been forced to side with fascists to protect their hatred-based rights

― i love a man in a unicorn (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 26 May 2024 14:09 (three weeks ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOswByTWwAAbCBo?format=jpg&name=large

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 08:26 (two weeks ago) link

Born again Christian? Born again cunt more like https://t.co/vrWA9lTQNV
— Congolesa Rice (@judeinlondon) June 8, 2024

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 8 June 2024 11:50 (one week ago) link

I guess Mikey has already "Surprise Surprise"d that shit

― i love a man in a unicorn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 June 2024 11:52 (one week ago) link

yeah, probably as him already doing fawning interviews with Desantis/Bannon is a predictable path to becoming a celeb MAGA grifter

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 8 June 2024 12:01 (one week ago) link

... and facing potential rape charges in court as well, of course

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 8 June 2024 12:04 (one week ago) link

Unless you're a 70s-era British TV star (and only some of them) there's seemingly no punishment for being a serial rapist at all. So don't get your hopes up about this twat!

― prog's nearly man (Matt #2), Saturday, 8 June 2024 13:11 (one week ago) link

IIRC, London actually stopped existing for a few hundred years and changed location.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 8 June 2024 15:08 (one week ago) link

...after the Romans left.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 8 June 2024 15:08 (one week ago) link

driving this morning and scanning across the radio channels there was Helen Lewis on Radio 4 and Matthew Parris on 4Extra (plus no sport of interest on 5 live / sports extra and Huey playing boring classic rock selections on 6 music) - there is no escaping these fuckers.

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 8 June 2024 16:53 (one week ago) link

The BBC's decision to relentlessly platform murderous transphobes is entirely neutral and accidental, no doubt

― i love a man in a unicorn (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 June 2024 17:07 (one week ago) link

Helen Lewis is a sociopath.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Saturday, 8 June 2024 17:12 (one week ago) link

The power of Christ should have compelled Brand to take an occasional shower.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 8 June 2024 23:46 (one week ago) link

Not British but..

I am in London for the first time in 5 years. Unrecognizable. Grotesque huge modern buildings looming over historic neighborhoods. No sign of British culture except for vestigial pubs. Huge LED screens in formerly beautiful peaceful streets. People sleeping, living on the… https://t.co/kuyVds5Nr9
— Dr Naomi Wolf (@naomirwolf) June 10, 2024

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 10:34 (five days ago) link

Don't think there was much rough sleeping in London pre-2010 but its so long ago I can't remember.

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 10:36 (five days ago) link

I've been working in London since 2021 and just in these three years there has been a very noticeable increase in rough sleeping.

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 10:38 (five days ago) link

I moved here in 2009 and the number of visibly homeless people has skyrocketed since 2010.

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 10:41 (five days ago) link

There are usually at least five and sometimes more than 10 homeless people on my walk from my front door to, say, Holborn tube.

― guillotine vogue (suzy), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:43 (five days ago) link

it was bad in the mid 90's when I lived in Woolwich. I always characterised it as a London thing, like you'd never see the same level of homelessness in Manchester or Leeds back then. Now everywhere is like London. It's so easy to become homeless these days and it's not really a complex issue: Universal Credit is a benefits system that was conceived of and designed by evil cunts.

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:46 (five days ago) link

London has been a dump for years, in fact for the entire time I've lived here, but the levels of homelessness has gone through the roof. However, it's exactly the same in Glasgow which has probably never looked worse and more rundown.

― Poets Win Prizes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:52 (five days ago) link

Lots of rough sleeping in central London in the 80s, 90s - remembering travelling to and from the suburbs into Charing Cross and seeing lots of rough sleepers under the station arches, long since cleaned up and cleared out.

― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 11:57 (five days ago) link

Yeah my timelines are shot but I'm sure went way down in the noughties and then shot up again sometime after 2010 - really noticeable by 2015 at the latest.

― woof, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 12:08 (five days ago) link

Strangely occurring in tandem with Tory administrations then

― prog's nearly man (Matt #2), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 12:10 (five days ago) link

Who'd have thought it?

― Poets Win Prizes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 12:20 (five days ago) link

"We tried absolutely nothing to beat fascism. Lets elect them, then they will only beat themselves."

The last best hope against populism is to expose it to government https://t.co/DylV2rLRhV
— Financial Times (@FT) June 11, 2024

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 13:40 (five days ago) link

Genius.

― ILX: a violent left-wing mob who hate our country (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 13:49 (five days ago) link

still calling fascism "populism" so they can continue with their horseshoe bollocks, fuck the lot of them.

― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 13:50 (five days ago) link

I frequently Deliveroo diet cokes and mini magnums to my home when the Tesco is a 30 second walk away https://t.co/OHvYBIIH9y
— Noa Hoffman (@hoffman_noa) June 12, 2024

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 15:11 (four days ago) link

Um I think he's talking to *wealth creators*

― nashwan, Wednesday, 12 June 2024 15:39 (four days ago) link

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