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dune: classic or dud would be interesting.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 08:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I would love to say that David Lynch is a genius, who knows maybe he is, but he's just not for me. I have seen some of his stuff & I know it's meant to be weird & make you think about it, but it's too much. Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive, you can keep them both.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Amateurist I watched Dune a couple of years ago (at a Lynch all-nighter in Paris, no less) & I was quite surprised at how much I was LOVING it, at least until the mid-point of the second act or so when it completely disintegrated.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait - did David Lynch direct the OG Dune? Or are we talking about the recent redux? If we're talking about the OG I don't see how it could be anything other than KUHLASSICK.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait - did David Lynch direct the OG Dune?

Most certainly did -- his third film after Eraserhead and The Elephant Man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

that movie really has some of the best production design ever. ever ever.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Factoid: Jodorowsky was originally scheduled to direct Dune, but his projected budget, among other things, prevented him from doing so.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

good

jones (actual), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

his fils can be classic or unclassic (straight story) or downright dud (wild at heart) but as a director and a persona he is never anything less than K-k-k-k-klassic!

Did anyone ever see that interview he did for scene by scene - i loved the bit where he's talking about "the eye of the duck" to describe the key scene in his films.

Also i highly recommend the book "Lynch on Lynch" - so much fun!

jed (jed_e_3), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

wild at heart rules!

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I watched The Straight Story again recently and realized it might be one of my favorite of his films (as opposed to the first time I watched it, where my reaction could be summed up as such: "WTF?"). It's very touching, and about as involving as a film with so little "action" gets.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i would've liked it if he'd arrived at harry dean stanton's house in the first reel and they spent the rest of the picture hanging out on the porch

jones (actual), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

(same goes for Chris Isaak in Fire Walk with Me)

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Mulholland Drive is a great film for Lynch, yanking him out of his US weirdo cult niche and projecting world class ideas onto the world stage. I fail to see how it could stand a chance at BAFTA with Princess Ann on the board however (Oscars and Globes out-of-th-qn i assume).

Umm. This movie is two years old. Why are we speculating on its award chances?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)


i had heard a rumor that lucas wanted lynch to direct one of the movies in the original trilogy, my guess would be return of the jedi. anyone else heard this? fact/fiction? if lynch had done one they might've been good.

*waiting for backlash*

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The ewoks would've drank coffee and there would've been creepy sax music.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)


creepy sex music would've been good too.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)


i'm guessing the effects would've been worse too, if that's possible.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

yes lynch was supposed to direct return of the jedi, he turned it down and did dune instead.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, I might've actually liked a Star Wars movie. Wait, but I didn't like Dune. Oh well. I would've like to see have seen it done, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I love love love love Mulholland Drive.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 30 October 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Mulholland Dve, Elephant Man, Lost Hwy and Eraserhead are all great. Dune was shite (didnt Lynch have his name removed from it on re-release or something tho? Or am I confused). I wasn't a huge fan of Blue Velvet, and I never watched a second of Twin Peaks - I must be the only person in the world my age who hasn't!

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 30 October 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Lynch had his name removed from Dune. As I mentioned above, I really thing Mulholland Drive was a return for Lynch; I think it's great.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

He had his name removed from the TV version, which did include a lot of extra footage that fanboy me appreciated (and which fleshed out the story a hell of a lot more readily). It was, however, a poor edit in technical terms, most notably with a complete hijacking of the musical score that made no sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

only removed from the extended-for-TV version?

crosspost

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Dune is one of my favorite movies ever. Makes perfect sense if you read the book (and don't anybody come back with "it should stand on it's own" bs, etc.)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Makes perfect sense if you read the book

Yeah, quite right. I read the book a year before the movie came out so my timing was perfect there...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw, Amazon describes the TV version as being 'shorter'.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

!?! Amazon is wrong.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, I have both versions on DVD.

although, N. has had my copy of the cinema one for nearly a year, now.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

It's now on my Netfilx queue since I haven't seen it in years. (and what are they doing recommending Cher Live to me?? Just because I rented The Eyes of Laura Mars?)

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

the recent TV Dune was unwatchable.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 30 October 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

you know the best bit of dune is when alicia witt sez "and how can this be? for he is the kwizzach hadarach!" and inexplicably pulls her bottom lip all the way across the side of her face on the 'be' or 'is', i forget which

cremaster's opulent mythboredom reminded me a lot of dune

prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 30 October 2003 08:23 (twenty-two years ago)

cremaster 2 most indebted, obv

prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 30 October 2003 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

but not to dune

prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 30 October 2003 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

to other suburban lynch

prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 30 October 2003 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)

that movie really has some of the best production design ever. ever ever.

absolutely. it's funny how the production design seems to be the central concern of the film for much of its length, but unlike other well-appointed films, the design is actually so rich it actually sustains interest.

this movie redeems dino dilaurentis's reputation from all the europudding he's made. (well, this movie and "blue velvet.")

the last half hour is a mess, yes, but it's compelling for being so incomprehensible. the ending, if you haven't read the book, is just quizzical--all the more so for being so terrifically bombastic and theatrical.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I really like everything I've seen by David Lynch (Blue Velvet, Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, Dune, Twin Peaks season one), except, oddly enough, for Eraserhead, wherein I was so creeped out by the bile-spitting preemie (I was watching it alone at night) that I couldn't watch the rest of it. I hadn't read Dune when I saw the movie (and still haven't actually), and was totally baffled but still enjoyed it, mainly due to design, special effects, and Kyle McLachlan.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to have some sort of movie-tie-in picture book of Dune when I was a kid. Imagine, if you will, some poor hack writer trying to distill the plot to a few short paragraphs per half and hour. Completely incomprehensible. I used to sit there and make up my own plot to the pictures.

FWWM, like Dune, does have a lot of extra footage still sitting there. As a fan of fractured, difficult art I'm not too bothered about seeing it restored. Pretty much all the series cast shot scenes.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Taking on Dune was a crazy idea and the (heavily edited) film is riddled with flaws. Nonetheless it is a work of beauty, perhaps all the more loveable for it's faults. The heart plug scene is unforgettable cinema, Sting is absurd, the voice overs wonderfully bizarre, the visualisation of Frank H's ideas meticulous and inventive... I think it's a brilliant, sprawling mash up of a movie, amazing to look at and absolutely crammed with diverting details.

Err, Lynch incidentally is brain-crushingly classic.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 30 October 2003 13:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd love to see at least some of the fwwm stuff restored or at least assembled if it can't be edited in. the full script was wonderous (I'm sure it's still around on the web somewhere). FWWM gets a bad rap, it's a zany circus of a film with some excellent scenes (the Pink Room nightclub scene, the final shots in the black lodge, the entire opening sequence with Chris Isaak and Keifer).

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to have some sort of movie-tie-in picture book of Dune when I was a kid. Imagine, if you will, some poor hack writer trying to distill the plot to a few short paragraphs per half and hour. Completely incomprehensible

There's a much better book out there if you can find it at all -- The Making of Dune by Ed Naha. He was hired to essentially hang around on site during the entire length of filming and write a book about it all and did a fantastic job, I thought. While essentially uncritical about the final product itself, it actually doesn't talk about that so much as just the filming itself. Also laden with tons of photos.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic for pretty much everything he's made.

Here's ten, in order of "classicness":

1. Mulholland Drive
2. Eraserhead
3. Blue Velvet
4. Wild at Heart
5. Elephant Man
6. Twin Peaks
7. The Straight Story
8. Dune
9. Fire Walk with Me
10. Lost Highway

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 30 October 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

i read the full script for FWWM and thought it was dumbly literal, and was mostly glad it had been chopped to bits for the final product.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 31 October 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The order in which i like them - not much to do with "classicsness" - wild at heart is the only one i actively dislike so it's not on there.

1. Mulholland Drive
2. Blue Velvet
3. Eraserhead
4. Elephant Man
5. Lost Highway
6. Fire Walk with Me
7. Twin Peaks
8. Dune
9.The Straight Story

jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Umm. This movie is two years old. Why are we speculating on its award chances?

sorry, jaymc, my aside has troubled you, AND i used the wrong tense in one sentence!
and it revived a discussion, how about that ?
but huh ?, you haven't commented on Princess Anne and the BAFTAs, which was what i was getting at. Or anything else beyond the semantics of said paragraph. What do YOU THINK ?

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven months pass...
Wild At Heart is fantastic - reading the book might help if you don't get the movie

I'm not sure I'll ever get round reading the book so could somebody please summarize what it adds to the movie?

Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

words

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

If George Gosset cares a year later, I apologize for being snarky. I thought maybe you didn't realize that Mulholland Drive wouldn't be eligible for a BAFTA in 2003, since it came out in 2001 (maybe 2002 in the UK, I'm not sure).

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Region 1 Wild at Heart DVD is finally coming in December!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I sometimes imitate Lynch talking about Naomi Watts but I've got nothing on that guy.

Dr. Winston O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 00:08 (three weeks ago)

and of course Spacek's husband Jack Fisk is one of the all-time great production designers.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 09:44 (three weeks ago)

He directed her and Kevin Kline in the movie Violets Are Blue which I remember as being pretty good.

Dr. Winston O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 10:31 (three weeks ago)

Fisk was the man in the planet in Eraserhead. Lynch’s… unorthodox makeup techniques were miserable for him.

Lynch and Fisk knew each other since they were kids and they lived together for a while, they were both painters.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 11:45 (three weeks ago)

two weeks pass...

Rep screening of Blue Velvet tonight (surprised it doesn't have its own thread)...Not a single laugh in an half-filled theatre when Dorothy says "I looked for you in my closet tonight." It's a strange world.

(Always amazed to be reminded that Hope Lange is in this--I knew her as a kid from The Ghost & Mrs. Muir TV show.)

clemenza, Sunday, 21 June 2026 04:42 (five days ago)

Watched the Fablemans last night and Lynch made me so happy. I can't tell if the scene was written to be Lynchy (lipstick kisses all over his face, taking FOREVER to light the cigar) or if Lynch made it Lynchy.

Cow_Art, Monday, 22 June 2026 13:16 (four days ago)

I like that movie, but the Lynch cameo is basically the cherry on top.

My mother in law was visiting the other week, and we were trying to pick out a movie. I had her whittle down some ideas to give me a better idea of what she wanted to see, and she goes "oh, what was that weird movie about the small town? There's a lounge singer, and a teen, and it's really strange." "Blue Velvet?" I ask. "Yes!!!" "Well, we're not watching that," I say (thinking, "...you weirdo"). But I picked "Straight Story" and of course everyone loved it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 June 2026 13:29 (four days ago)

we have Mark Harris to thank for Lynch in The Fablemans. Spielberg and Tony Kushner were discussing possibilities, and Harris (Kushner's husband) suggested Lynch.

jaymc, Monday, 22 June 2026 13:36 (four days ago)

I wish Lynch did more acting, but I'm to sure sure if that was due to a lack of opportunities or if he was really particular about which films/shows to do (or maybe both). His guest role in Louie C.K.'s show was brilliant - it's now overshadowed by the revelations about Louis C.K., but those episodes aired a few years before that happened and at the time, everyone I knew absolutely loved Lynch's performance.

birdistheword, Monday, 22 June 2026 16:15 (four days ago)

I think he was pretty uncomfortable with it. Isabella pushed him into the role in Zelly & Me and he was terrified. I’ve never seen that movie, but all of his acting that I have seen are entertaining, of limited range, and are best in small doses.

i think he knew his limitations and wasn’t interested enough in the craft to become a Real Actor. Eventually he got by simply by being David Lynch, in the same way that Werner Herzog has.

Cow_Art, Monday, 22 June 2026 16:33 (four days ago)

Hertzog was the first person that jumped to mind.

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Monday, 22 June 2026 17:02 (four days ago)

xp

Ugh, that first sentence is a mess, I'll try to do better in the future

Cow_Art, Monday, 22 June 2026 17:26 (four days ago)

I'd have liked to see a buddy movie starring Lynch, Herzog and Cronenberg. 3 of my favorite actors.

dan selzer, Monday, 22 June 2026 18:27 (four days ago)

add spielberg and make it a sitcom set in a florida bungalow

shaking babies (map), Monday, 22 June 2026 18:35 (four days ago)

swap spielberg for scorsese

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Monday, 22 June 2026 18:40 (four days ago)

Nah, gotta have Spielberg as the straight man.

Cow_Art, Monday, 22 June 2026 19:18 (four days ago)

Nah, I think you need more of an awkward/odd couple dynamic. Something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJPwzlyZ2Q

birdistheword, Monday, 22 June 2026 19:33 (four days ago)

Werner Herzog as David Lynch.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 June 2026 19:33 (four days ago)

Maybe throw in Judd Apatow just to have sarcastic wisecracks to himself.

birdistheword, Monday, 22 June 2026 19:35 (four days ago)

Lynch, Herzog, Cronenberg and ... Sydney Pollack? Or Albert Brooks!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 June 2026 19:35 (four days ago)

sydney pollack surely the best directors acting performance

Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac), Monday, 22 June 2026 19:37 (four days ago)

xp!

Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac), Monday, 22 June 2026 19:37 (four days ago)

Ha, I thought of polling Best Directors Who Act. Pollack would be near the top.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 June 2026 19:38 (four days ago)

In other Lynch news, Wild At Heart did serious numbers in Bologna last night. I'm amazed that such a big audience turned out for it.

https://bsky.app/profile/davidlynchsworlds.bsky.social/post/3mov4aa3o222m

whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Monday, 22 June 2026 19:41 (four days ago)

xps Albert Brooks, YES - in all seriousness, I'd put his greatest films on par with Lynch, Herzog and Cronenberg's. Can't say the same about Pollack or Apatow's best work, and Brooks is funnier too.

birdistheword, Monday, 22 June 2026 19:47 (four days ago)

uh Tootsie is absolutely on par with Lynch, Herzog, and Cronenberg's best.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 June 2026 19:50 (four days ago)

Pollack's one scene was a highlight of Death Becomes Her.

Hideous Lump, Monday, 22 June 2026 20:29 (four days ago)

Lynch, Herzog, Cronenberg, Spielberg

Spielberg would be Mike, but who would be Vyvyan, Rick and Neil?

Hideous Lump, Monday, 22 June 2026 20:32 (four days ago)

tootsie isnt much good for any of the parts where tootsie exists tbh

Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac), Monday, 22 June 2026 20:36 (four days ago)

what are albert brooks good movies

Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac), Monday, 22 June 2026 20:36 (four days ago)

tootsie isnt much good for any of the parts where tootsie exists tbh

― Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac)

Shame on you, you macho shithead!

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 June 2026 20:38 (four days ago)

uh Tootsie is absolutely on par with Lynch, Herzog, and Cronenberg's best.

Sorry, cannot agree. Mixed feelings about that film.

birdistheword, Monday, 22 June 2026 21:03 (four days ago)

Oh, I know all its flaws but love it anyway, whereas Herzog is a director who makes fiction films I never wanna watch again.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 June 2026 21:04 (four days ago)

Herzog's documentaries are generally better than his fiction films, but honestly I don't think most of his films live up to the myths he builds around them. However, a few that do are incredible - among his fiction work, Aguirre towers over every other scripted film he did.

birdistheword, Monday, 22 June 2026 22:25 (four days ago)

One of my favorite Herzog films isn't even one he directed: Les Blank's Burden of Dreams.

birdistheword, Monday, 22 June 2026 22:26 (four days ago)

otm on both counts

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 June 2026 22:36 (four days ago)


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