― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:44 (twenty years ago) link
I got Sam Fuller's Pickup on South Street today. Looks noiry.
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus, Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link
the big sleepthe third manstrangers on a train
outside of the definition i have to include
rififile cercle rougechinatown (my favorite noir, period.)the long goodbye
― todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus, Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:00 (twenty years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:26 (twenty years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:36 (twenty years ago) link
― udu wudu (udu wudu), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link
I especially recommend the Anthony Mann triple-threat of T-Men, Raw Deal, and He Walked By Night
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:24 (twenty years ago) link
― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 9 April 2004 00:43 (twenty years ago) link
― claudja, Friday, 9 April 2004 19:46 (twenty years ago) link
― fcussen (Burger), Friday, 9 April 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link
― metfigga (metfigga), Friday, 9 April 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus, Friday, 9 April 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago) link
French - Bob le Flambeur Band of Outsiders
― webcrack (music=crack), Friday, 9 April 2004 20:58 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus, Friday, 9 April 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 9 April 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Saturday, 10 April 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago) link
I think the first noir was "Stranger on the Third Floor," 1940, RKO.
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 10 April 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 10 May 2004 02:37 (twenty years ago) link
― jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Monday, 10 May 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Amos, Monday, 10 May 2004 07:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 10 May 2004 11:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― frankiemachine, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link
In any case, frankiemachine, I would have thought you would have mentioned The Man With The Golden Arm, although I guess that's not a noir per se.
― Redd Temple Player (Two Headed Dogg) (Ken L), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― dont stop go, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link
Smoking vs. chewing tobacco
― Little Billy Love (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 January 2024 13:21 (five months ago) link
Is there another corner of cinema that gets explored so thoroughly as noir does? I think of noir and westerns as relatively equal parts of the classic Hollywood era, but in terms of say boutique label box sets noir has westerns beat so hard it ain't even funny.
Is the fact that it's not a "real" genre and thus you can explore further afield part of it?
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, January 10, 2024 10:50 AM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink
I wonder if another way of thinking about this is 'is there a competing aesthetic within american cinema of this period that holds a similar status as diagnosis of social and political neuroses?' I wonder if a tentative answer is screwball but that is more tightly bound to genre than noir is and relies on a kind of 'success' in a way noir doesn't. just a thought.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:32 (four months ago) link
Screwball and noir don't overlap really in terms of chronology, screwball p much done by the time noir comes around so they're diagnosing v different societies I think.
The western would once again lend itself to this kind of lens but I guess a lot of it, "psychological westerns" and such, register as noir to some extent.
Of course in the 50's you'd also have sci-fi, not really a fair comparison in terms of the talent involved but certainly another niche that has been deeply explored.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:43 (four months ago) link
Yeah, I think noir casts the biggest, um, shadow.
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:46 (four months ago) link
I Wouldn’t Be in Your Shoes, now on Criterion, is my kind of noir: pulpy Poverty Row murder mystery based on a Cornell Woolrich story, with a no-name cast (Don Castle and Elyse Knox) and where “Depressed and anxious, Tom impulsively throws his only pair of tap dancing shoes at howling cats outside his window” is a salient plot point.
― Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 15 February 2024 05:44 (four months ago) link
spent the past week or so watching a bunch of noir moviesdelights included these first-time watchesDetour (1945)I was middling on this until Ana Savage shows up and then hot damn boys we got us a movie. Super great. (Neal is a bit of a nothing though tbh?)In A Lonely Place (1950)Never seen Bogart play a character so menacing & unlikeable. Top shelf. Awesome twist at the end, so bleak. Ugh! Love. Based on novel written by dorothy b hughes who I am definitely going to seek out. Ride The Pink Horse (1947)Um is this the most perfect noir I’ve ever seen? Maybe. So grim & taut & the dialogue is crisp & funny, supporting actors are all terrific. Goddamn what a movie. Also this is another based on a novel written by Dorothy B Hughes, who promises to become my new favorite author based on this output.
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:07 (two weeks ago) link
The novel In a Lonely Place is vastly different from the film but very much worth reading, it's a little disorienting to read if you go in with any expectation that it will line up with the film, but I think both are brilliant in their own way.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 19:24 (two weeks ago) link
Interesting. Have always wondered about that one.
― Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 21:18 (two weeks ago) link
There is also the song by The Smithereens, which relies heavily on the film's catchphrase:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlOVlqUcB8A
― Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 May 2024 21:20 (two weeks ago) link
Dorothy B Hughes is great!
― ian, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 21:28 (two weeks ago) link
Read another Arthur Lyons novel in his Jacob Asch series, and seems to me there's been some missed opportunities to make a particularly feverish, sweaty, nightmarish 1970s set private eye film based on one of those.
Good reminder that I'm overdue to watch Ride the Pink Horse.
― omar little, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 22:12 (two weeks ago) link
The novel of IN A LONELY PLACE is even more bleak than the film.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 30 May 2024 00:52 (two weeks ago) link
IALP is diffused a little for a having a protagonist/antagonist named Dix Steele.
"Hi! Dix Steele, meet I.Ron Johnson..."
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 May 2024 01:49 (two weeks ago) link
xo to Omar -
iirc, Lyons was involved with a major film noir festival, so I bet he would have loved to see an Asch novel on film.
― ian, Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:04 (two weeks ago) link
I read the plot summary for the novel of In A Lonely Place & my reaction was “100% Veg-bait”i mean: a serial killer moonlighting as a crime writer? sounds like a fever dream <3
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:25 (two weeks ago) link
The novel of In a Lonely Place is SO GOOD!
― Lily Dale, Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:29 (two weeks ago) link
:D
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:34 (two weeks ago) link
my local library has three of her novels on the shelf so i will def be grabbing those in the next day or two.
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:37 (two weeks ago) link
The novel is excellent and is definitely in that 1940s/50s sub-genre of "the bad or mad guy is the protagonist", ie Jim Thompson, Patricia Highsmith etc. Another great one in that category is "Beast in View" by Margaret Millar.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:42 (two weeks ago) link
ooh thx for the rec
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2024 02:54 (two weeks ago) link
― ian, Wednesday, May 29, 2024 7:04 PMp-
still going strong, just celebrated 25 years!
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/palm-springs-film-noir-arthur-lyons-festival-25th-anniversary-1235992647/
― omar little, Thursday, 30 May 2024 03:23 (two weeks ago) link
i keep my ear to the ground for these things normally, but events have had me distracted. gonna be on it for 2025, i hope. might make a desert trip.
― omar little, Thursday, 30 May 2024 03:24 (two weeks ago) link
After Dark, My Sweet (James Foley, 1990) is probably my favourite neo-noir and the best Jim Thompson adaptation to date, just a hair above Serie Noire (1979). It really captures the bleakness and sadness of his novel, and it has career-best performances fromJason Patric, Rachel Ward, and Bruce Dern
― beamish13, Thursday, 30 May 2024 04:29 (two weeks ago) link
There’s a certain famous band who would lazily look at a calendar for a local repratory folk theater when they needed to come up with song titles and this gave us classics like In a Lonely Place, Cries and Whispers, Thieves Like Us, Age of Consent etc
― dan selzer, Thursday, 30 May 2024 11:32 (two weeks ago) link
I thought New Order even wrote lyrics using Scrabble tiles
― beamish13, Thursday, 30 May 2024 13:34 (two weeks ago) link
"folk" should read "film" obv.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 30 May 2024 14:07 (two weeks ago) link
Veg, how did you watch Ride the Pink Horse? The only option I've found (short of buying a used copy, which I may just have to do) would be to activate an AppleTV+ trial...
I watched a cool one called Roadblock (1951) a few weeks back. The plot is a little shaky, but the dialogue is terrific; and there's real chemistry btw the leads. It takes an interesting turn from the usual "good guy led astray by femme fatale" setup; and culminates in a terrific chase in the L.A. riverbed (long before the T-Birds and Pink Ladies got there, haha).
― OG Rizzler (morrisp), Saturday, 1 June 2024 20:09 (two weeks ago) link
Internet Archive is the best place - they have a ton of noir not streaming anywhere else. https://archive.org/details/ride-the-pink-horse-1947I just cast it off my phone onto tv via bluetooth.
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 1 June 2024 20:56 (two weeks ago) link
Pink horse is on TCM every now and again. If u have a dvr and ur not recording noir alley (sats at 1159PM) ur missing out
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 2 June 2024 00:10 (two weeks ago) link
Thanx to both. I do try to keep my eye on TCM generally (that’s how I caught Roadblock).
― OG Rizzler (morrisp), Sunday, 2 June 2024 01:30 (two weeks ago) link
the thing about noir alley is eddie will tell you upfront if the movie is shit or not, which absolutely enhances the experience
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 2 June 2024 01:35 (two weeks ago) link
eddie is a good source
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 June 2024 01:38 (two weeks ago) link
He is marvelous in person if you get the chance to catch him at a Noir City festival.
― Jaq, Sunday, 2 June 2024 03:04 (two weeks ago) link
when i was sick recently i worked my way through his list of his favorite 25 noir movies, that was how i came across In A Lonely Place
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 June 2024 03:34 (two weeks ago) link
Just looked and In A Lonely Place is in one of the noir anthologies on my shelf. It's called Women Crime Writers: Eight Suspense Novels of the 1940s & 50s. Might have to pull it out.
From the 1940s, here are Vera Caspary’s famous career girl mystery Laura; Helen Eustis’s intricate campus thriller The Horizontal Man; Dorothy B. Hughes’s In a Lonely Place, the terrifyingly intimate portrait of a serial killer; and Elisabeth Sanxay Holding’s The Blank Wall, in which a wife in wartime is forced to take extreme measures when her family is threatened. The 1950s volume includes Charlotte Armstrong’s Mischief, the nightmarish drama of a child entrusted to a psychotic babysitter; Patricia Highsmith’s brilliant The Blunderer, which tracks the perverse parallel lives of two men driven toward murder; Margaret Millar’s Beast in View, a relentless study in madness; and Dolores Hitchens’s Fools’ Gold, a hard-edged tale of robbery and redemption.
Mischief is AMAZING. It was apparently adapted into a movie called Don't Bother To Knock which I've never seen.
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 2 June 2024 04:25 (two weeks ago) link
ooh that sounds like a great collection
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 June 2024 06:03 (two weeks ago) link