abortion classic or dud?

I'm trying to find a copy of that book I read on the Pro-choice movement(american author, came out in late '05/early '06, had a pink cover), and I remember her mentioning that one of her sources posted the entire book online for free:

http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft967nb5z5

I think this is the entirety of Leslie Reagan's _When Abortion Was a Crime: Women, Medicine, and Law in the United States, 1867-1973_

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71011ZN1R6L.gif

ding ding ding, found it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/413C3Tt2fhL.jpg

is this rec/d reading then?

I really enjoyed the 2nd book, first one i haven't read.

I remember reading a while ago that one of the reasons teenage girls give for not using contreception is that the planning of sex makes them feel slutty, whereas if they can convince themselves that the sex "just happened" (swept away in the moment, one thing led to another, etc) they don't get that stigma. Don't know if this still holds any water.

That might get you a manslaughter charge instead of a murder charge if that was your defense for killing someone, but mysteriously, you still have the exact same effect when you impregnate someone whether you planned to or not.

that cristina page book is dope btw. case studies and details on the ways in which abortion's been de-legalised outside of roe, like foetal rights laws, conscience laws etc.

"The morning after pill is not free and therefore not accessible to poor women who have trouble coming up with $40."

wtf, it's like 15 euros here.

fifteen socialist euros

"The morning after pill is not free and therefore not accessible to poor women who have trouble coming up with $40."

wtf, it's like 15 euros here.

― Nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:38 PM

Well, not everyone has 15 euros, either. BUT, in the states it ranges between $20 and $40. Ya'll also had the pill way before we did as well.

$55 in california

The place I work at has a health clinic two times which gives EC out for free.

Mass does have a law that requires those 18 and under to either get a prescription for EC or buy it from specially trained pharmacists which not every drug store employs.

Which is just to say that not only can it be $$, it can also be difficult for younger women to get a hold of.

so, uh

The primary goal of the "Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act" is to stop late-term abortions, supporters say. The state law makes it a felony for a doctor to abort a fetus at more than 20 weeks.

Nebraska is the first state to ban abortions based on the controversial notion that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks.

ahh yes let's go ahead and pass legislation based on questionable grey area opinions. fuck Nebraska, I'd like to sodomize em all with rancid cornhusk

new zealand abortion law is based on fetus viability, i.e. you can't legally terminate a pregnancy later than 20 weeks bc a fetus is considered to be viable outside the womb at that stage.

bahhhhhhhhhhhhh.

On the upside, yay Baltimore and Austin.

lol @ "Like even if the condom split or something wouldn't most people take the morning after pill?"

in a word, no

EC cost me $50 here in NYC, just in case anyone is keeping track. And it pretty much cleaned out my bank account at the time -- at that price, it could very easily be "medicine vs food" for a lot of people, even middle-class-ish and gainfully employed ones.

So... better to just hope that you won't have a baby/expensive abortion? Seems like a lot of blame is being given to the US healthcare system - anyone have a perspective from the UK/Europe?
Really not meaning to sound like a dick, I am genuinely unenlightened about all this. I just realised I didn't notice Kate78's link upthread - off to read it now. And thanks to her and ENBB for sharing their experiences.

I haven't worked in the system, but I'd split the blame between the price of basic healthcare and preventative medical services, and the lack of anything resembling truly useful sex ed. On top of that, add the disadvantages of poverty in both eduction and access, and the problem only compounds for at-risk girls and women.

I wonder how much one worsens the other- if it were easier/cheaper to get contraceptives would poorer girls & women know more about how to get and use them? Obv I have had a v priveleged life but it was drummed into me from an early age that SEX = BABY TIMES unless you do something about it.
Actually I think most it came from reading problem pages in magazines which always took the line that you could become pregnant just from having semen anywhere near you.

Hell, normal middle-class white girls (and boys) can't get and/or don't know how to use contraceptives, so I don't know why anyone expects ANY young people to be on board.

how much does a for eg really early term in+out abortion cost?

also just read a stat that said that by the age of 45 one in three women will have had a abortion, this seems... high?

ok now I'm never going to in-n-out burger again.

I haven't met a pro-choice woman younger than 25 in years. (However, I mostly talk to working class and/or ethnic women, so that is probabally skewing the results.)

hm

i mostly ethnic women

they never me

it what

get @ me, swarthies

mmmm i just got a craving for my favorite type of food: ethnic

also just read a stat that said that by the age of 45 one in three women will have had a abortion, this seems... high?

This seems low/about right to me.

Prices at a clinic I used to work at:

Surgical Abortion
5 – 11 weeks LMP*: $415
12 – 13 weeks LMP*: $510
Oral Pre-medication: included
IV Conscious Sedation: $40
Rhogam (required if you have Rh- blood): $55
Post-surgical abortion follow-up: $40
Second Ultrasound, if needed: $50

Medication Abortion
5 weeks – 9 weeks, 0 days LMP*: $375
Rhogam (required if you have Rh- blood): $55
Post-medication abortion follow-up: included
Second Ultrasound, if needed: $50

thanks! what are the asterisks for? glad i started reading this thread, i mean, i usually feel like this is so outside of my own experience that its hard to think abt it, which is dead wrong obv.

i remember seeing a programme on abortion where they showed an early one where they inserted like a tube and it did a suction thing maybe and it took abt five minutes in total it seemed, surely that's not what costs 415 on that list(?)

the asterisks were to explain that LMP stands for "last menstrual period."

Another thing girls just "know" because you have to tell the doctors every time you go to the GYN.

haha i like never know the answer to that one

awkward boners not really feeling like such a biological scourge reading this thread anymore

i remember seeing a programme on abortion where they showed an early one where they inserted like a tube and it did a suction thing maybe and it took abt five minutes in total it seemed, surely that's not what costs 415 on that list(?)

Yes, it is. And the clinics make no money at that price. There are a lot of steps before and after the procedure: phone screening, ultrasound, counseling, blood typing, maybe starting an IV for sedation, recovery room, nurses on call.

When I'm not on any BC, I never know my LMP, I just go with how I feel that day and decide, "Yeah, it's probably about to start," or "I'm probably close to ovulation" or whatever. I never, ever look at a calendar. Lately, though, I always know.

I haven't met a pro-choice woman younger than 25 in years. (However, I mostly talk to working class and/or ethnic women, so that is probabally skewing the results.)

I was pro-life in high school. It's mostly because you're at the age where things are taught to you in black and white, so you think in black and white, and it's easy to point fingers when you a. haven't had to support yourself and b. you may not have even had sex yet

That's what I was thinking, too.

this is probably an icky stereotype, but i've always assumed that women between the age of, say, 17-25 that are pro-life are "frigid virgins." uncharitable (and maybe sexist?) but it ties in pretty well with shakey's hypo re: opinions on pre-marital sex ----> abortion

like, any young woman with an active sex life that involves birth control is aware of situations in which those precautions might ~fail~ and despite any protestations to the contrary, i'm guessing that even the staunchest pre-marital sex-havin' pro-lifer would reassess her beliefs if she got Knocked Up

If abortion had even been DISCUSSED (that I was aware of) I can guarantee I would have been pro-life, because I was pro-every other shitty conservative worldview, that's for sure.