I think Widmore just needed Jin to draw MIB to him so he could trap him inside some big magnet or alternate universe or infinite bag of holding or something, but this happened too soon so now he's scrambling to get ready for the inevitable MIB assault
I don't think Ji-yeon is a candidate as I thought candidates were selected and rejected based on their actions during life ...
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 23:28 (sixteen years ago)
that wouldn't be very sporting of jacob after all that "once you're on the island your past life don't matter" jibber jabber.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 23:29 (sixteen years ago)
I think that applied for just run-of-the-mill suckers who were drafted into becoming MIB bait, but not candidates for Jacob's office. I got the impression that candidates required study, as in staring at them for decades using a lighthouse mirror
Was a little bugged by the 'can you feel the LURVE Desmond? Can you? Can you?' stuff, but once I remembered that a lot of this was about the idea of constants enabling you to keep it together between timelines, it was good. Still have no idea why he needs the manifest in the alt though. Is he going to round up everyone on 815? If so, why them? 6 billion people in the alt are alternate versions of themselves.
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 23:32 (sixteen years ago)
Had this bizarre idea that he was going to bring the alt-manifest back with him somehow to the island, then run around telling everybody 'hey look, I have a piece of paper here which says that I was on the plane with you ... but that didn't happen RIGHT' ... but that doesn't make sense either. I think. My brain may be dissolving into sludge.
― Brakhage, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 23:36 (sixteen years ago)
he looked like he was fixing to go hold everyone's head under a toilet bowl until they saw their "constant" is what it looked like.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 23:44 (sixteen years ago)
Really liked this episode, mostly because it was the only one, in the entire series, when I really didn't have a fucking clue what was going to happen.
yes OTM
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 23:57 (sixteen years ago)
dooooooooope episode, pretty fucking exciting esp. the early scene with des getting frazzled. looked awesome.
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 8 April 2010 00:17 (sixteen years ago)
and yeh Charlie doing the hand thing in the car, creepy as fuck
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 8 April 2010 00:18 (sixteen years ago)
best ep of the season. by a long way.
― yella card THIS, yatches (history mayne), Thursday, 8 April 2010 00:18 (sixteen years ago)
have to agree this should've happened already tho - seems like there's so much left to do
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 8 April 2010 00:19 (sixteen years ago)
the alt is starting to feel like some sort of matrix style dreamworld at this point, like someone will peel back a palm tree and oh look it's the restaurant
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 1 April 2010 00:08
wasn't too far wrong with this was I?
thought this ep was appalling until the last 10-15 mins. eloise widmore jumped the shark, "because i bloody do!", ugh shut up.
also the love will find a way stuff only was irritating off island time wasting until the last 10-15 mins.
the actual reveals were quite good tho, I'm guessing Desmond is now there to show them the flash sideways is bullshit. I suppose the flash sideways were caused by detonating the bomb but it's hard to say how they still exist on the island as well as this.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 8 April 2010 00:23 (sixteen years ago)
amazed people liked this awful episode tho...
jesus
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 8 April 2010 00:25 (sixteen years ago)
It's still totally unclear why Jin was kidnapped and not any of the others.
I thought it was because he drew up the Dharma maps of the island, and they need him to locate some pocket of EM.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 8 April 2010 00:30 (sixteen years ago)
ep ruled imo
― not all good, not all right: the rest is just sounds (gbx), Thursday, 8 April 2010 00:31 (sixteen years ago)
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, April 8, 2010 1:23 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark
something actually happened
― yella card THIS, yatches (history mayne), Thursday, 8 April 2010 00:47 (sixteen years ago)
thx for showing up local garda, one more for my team
― HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 8 April 2010 00:54 (sixteen years ago)
take it to frogtown, you two
― not all good, not all right: the rest is just sounds (gbx), Thursday, 8 April 2010 01:05 (sixteen years ago)
xp keyes oh yeah you're right - that totally slipped my mind
― Nhex, Thursday, 8 April 2010 01:06 (sixteen years ago)
hahaha gbx u awesome
― HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Thursday, 8 April 2010 01:08 (sixteen years ago)
XD
― not all good, not all right: the rest is just sounds (gbx), Thursday, 8 April 2010 01:18 (sixteen years ago)
eloise widmore jumped the shark, "because i bloody do!"
tbf she jumped it last season w/ "then god help us all"
― rafsan (rahni), Thursday, 8 April 2010 01:33 (sixteen years ago)
also her hair this ep, wtf really.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 8 April 2010 04:56 (sixteen years ago)
Eloise has always been corny as fuck though, I just take it as read now.
The Charlie-as-Constant thing hadn't occurred to me but makes sense. I wonder if actually you have to have a near-death experience for the real timeline to seep through into your brain? Seemed to happen for Charlie and Desmondan also Juliet in the other timeline and maybe Sun getting shot will do this as well.
It doesn't actually feel like there's that much to cover now, the Hurley ep should reveal a fair bit and once we get the big timlines and Jacob and MIB reveals it's all guns and explosions til the end, right?
― Matt DC, Thursday, 8 April 2010 07:08 (sixteen years ago)
Once we get any explanation about anything ever then yeah they've explained everything.
Charlie is also so annoying, let's hope that's the end of him and his 5-year-old child persona.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 8 April 2010 07:15 (sixteen years ago)
Would have been better with more Faraday and less Charlie, true.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 8 April 2010 08:55 (sixteen years ago)
The alt timeline is the world under smokey/locke spell, Eloise was actually smokey speaking, remeber the start, the island is sunk and smokey most likely escaped. Charle knew it was all fake thats what he was trying to tell desmond
― X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 09:32 (sixteen years ago)
Good theory. Maybe Smokey took over the bodies of all the people who died on the Island when it sank, including Eloise and Widmore, and he's been trying to keep Desmond and the 815ers content so they won't do whatever they're going to do.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 8 April 2010 10:10 (sixteen years ago)
Finally watched this last night. My wife loved it, I kinda feel like...
i didnt even get into this when complaining above, but this whole twee true love peels back the verneer of altverse bullshit is totally unsatisfying to me and makes me v v worried about some big romanto-jack/kate/sawyer fucking timewaster still to come, which is the other reason i thought this ep was shit.
― HOT DISH THYME MACHINE (jjjusten), Wednesday, April 7, 2010 2:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah, exactly.
Also, this episode had some good stuff in it but I just didn't feel it much at all, don't know if it was badly written or badly acted dialogue.
― drinkin a carton of peace juice (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 8 April 2010 10:50 (sixteen years ago)
Also, I'd prefer like vague half-answers to full-on answers or THE SECRET INGREDIENT IS LOVE.
― drinkin a carton of peace juice (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 8 April 2010 10:51 (sixteen years ago)
It's not really "true love" though is it, it's someone you had an intense relationship with in the alt timeline. So for Desmond it's Charlie, who he spent several episodes saving and eventually watched die.
The other timeline is still buried in there in the alt-consciousness in some way. It's the Constant thing all over again.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 8 April 2010 10:57 (sixteen years ago)
Really looking forward to Desmond's "you're not supposed to be here" interventions from now on, anyway.
I'm trying to figure out where Widmore is going with this ElectroMagnetic stuff. He wants mapper Jin because presumably he knows of other EM pockets on the Island. Radzinsky drilled in that one spot because the EM pocket was closer to the surface, I assume--but there must be other pockets, since the Island seemingly didn't lose its powers after the Hatch exploded.
Still don't know what he plans to do when he finds another pocket, or Desmond will have to do.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 8 April 2010 12:51 (sixteen years ago)
Maybe he's the only one who cant be harmed by smokey thats why? those things they use to keep smokey out are some sort of electromagnetic fence arent they? he seemed to know his purpose after he got zapped and seemed willing to go with sayid at the end
― X-101, Thursday, 8 April 2010 16:00 (sixteen years ago)
desmond is sent to another electromagnetic pocket where he'll trap smokey ghostbusters style?
― rafsan (rahni), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:37 (sixteen years ago)
This is a bit vague tho in typical lost fashion. For instance sayid was practically killed by keamy and didn't recognise. Kate looked after claire's kid for three years and didn't recognise. Jack and Kate? Sawyer and Kate? Locke didn't even recognise Boone!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 9 April 2010 07:37 (sixteen years ago)
Kate looked after claire's kid for three years and didn't recognise.
Wait, that was in real timeline, not alt timeline.
― Obama, Wellstone and Darwinfish, Attorneys (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 9 April 2010 11:01 (sixteen years ago)
He's talking about the 'Constant' theory between the two timelines.
― Matt DC, Friday, 9 April 2010 11:12 (sixteen years ago)
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, April 9, 2010 8:37 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
desmond is different, though, has a history of mystical time travel shit
― alpha zingdog (history mayne), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:20 (sixteen years ago)
yes, being able to "jump" sideways not that different from jumping backwards imo
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:45 (sixteen years ago)
it's just jumping really, not that hard when u really think about it
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:55 (sixteen years ago)
also, Eloises party seems to be an attempt to get all losties in one place no?
― GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Friday, 9 April 2010 13:58 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.details.com/video?videoID=63253333001
― max, Saturday, 10 April 2010 16:44 (sixteen years ago)
I think Eloise wants all the 815ers to go on in ignorant bliss-but I could be wrong.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 10 April 2010 16:48 (sixteen years ago)
Eloises party seems to be an attempt to get all losties in one place no?
I'd like it if they all showed up and relived island scenes:Charlie drowns in punchbowl, Kate shags Sawyer in the stables, Locke blows up the swimming pool, Walt mind-flings birds at Juliet, Eloise shoots her own son, Ben & Richard throw stink bombs at Pierre Chang and Horace, Claire leaves her baby behind to go off with an older dude.
― President Keyes, Saturday, 10 April 2010 16:55 (sixteen years ago)
Was the big test partially to confirm that Desmond is immune to the SmokeFlockeSter? That he could conceivably kill him?
― Shannon Whirry and the Bad Brains, Sunday, 11 April 2010 00:35 (sixteen years ago)
How is this even possible? You can't just invite a fugitive to hang out with a couple of cops, a CEO, a spinal surgeon and a dude in a wheelchair.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 11 April 2010 00:39 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah I'm not sure what you're basing the "Eloise party to bring together Losties" theory on?
― congratulations (n/a), Sunday, 11 April 2010 00:42 (sixteen years ago)
I'm pretty sure the ones that matter will all end up in the same place at some point soon in the alt-timeline, but probably not due to being invited to a prim charity function. I suspect Desmond might not really need that manifest.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 11 April 2010 00:49 (sixteen years ago)
Have watched the ep twice and am clueless as to why Des wants the manifest. Enlighten me.
― tobo73, Monday, 12 April 2010 00:17 (sixteen years ago)