Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

I thought the tomato was actually pretty nice! But I'm a sap.

there's a consistent theme of people being in the WRONG timeline, like when Desmond walked into the jewelry store. I think that is especially relevant to the alt timeline and why Desmond has appeared on the island

Oh, good call. I forgot how he has deja vu in that episode, and can predict some details, but his recollections of things that haven't happened yet aren't completely accurate. Remembering another timeline?

I want Widmore's 'they'll all cease to be' fleshed out. I don't think he means 'die', but 'vanish from existence', like the island is the aleph point between realities and for MIB to leave the island would invalidate one, many, or all timelines. At this point the audience really needs to know what's at stake should MIB escape the island other than just 'it's bad, you'll have to trust me on this'.

"the whole world will ~die~" is such a boring threat imo. like if everyone, including the viewer, is gonna get aced then who cares. smaller dramas are much more interesting. so if it's an aleph or a nuke or five times bigger insects isn't an issue---everyone is dead, boo hoo

would be much more if the threat was specific to a character I gave a shit about, which is basically just hurley at this point

^^ OTM this is just poor craftsmanship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLyfgvByE7Q

I have spent a good chunk of the last week getting myself all kinds of re-confused, re: the time discrepancies between the island and the outside world that were all the rage back in season 4. I'm talking about the doctor from the freighter floating ashore, dead, while he was still alive on the boat. And, of course, the whole payload thing, where the counters revealed that the rocket took longer to arrive on the island than it seemed to, from off shore. Etc.. This is what I get for going back and re-watching all this shit, in anticipation of the series finale.

Anyway. As far as I recall, we never really got a reasonable explanation for any of this, and I can't find any theories that aren't wildly inconsistent and self-nullifying. Anybody? I can't stop trying and failing to figure out how the rest of the world had gone ahead the same number of days as everybody on the island, in 2004, if time was moving more quickly on the island. Amongst other things, of course. That just seems a really convenient way to bundle this whole thing. Damn it.

Something to do with the Island constantly moving through time/being invisible to the outside world maybe? I find it difficult to believe they'd go through a Desmond episode without at least addressing all that stuff, if only in a throwaway, hand-wavy way.

I doubt there's a satisfactory answer that allows the island to be either ahead in time (dead doctor) OR behind in time (missile test payload), but yet still a place you can reliably get to by following the right bearing in your helicopter/submarine.

Also, when did Tom Friendly find the time to get off-island to hang out with his gay lover and also Michael? He is on-island for seemingly all of season 3, during which the submarine is exploded, but Michael is on-island during season 2. How did he get there without the submarine?

It's already been hand-waved, though. The electromagnetic energy pockets underneath the island cause disruptions in space/time, so anything that doesn't approach the island on the appropriate bearings gets screwed up - the time displaced objects, the doctor corpse, the time sickness. Time doesn't move more quickly on the island, it's just stuff that drops onto the island in the "wrong way" - mostly the Kahana and associated folks dropping in during Season 4 - gets affected.

Otherwise time passes normally on the island, it's not affected by the time travelers or the "time barrier" around the island. I don't see any holes here? I know there's the whole "the island moves constantly in space and time" bit from Season 5 but I don't see that contradicting anything.

As hokey as it sounds, that "correct bearing" explanation makes good, solid sense. In the world of Lost. Dislike it as I do, I was overlooking all of that.

My next hang-up is the "always moving through space/time" stuff. I see it as the discharge/failsafe from the season 2 finale causing it all to stop, as a result of the energy pocket under the Swan being dissipated. That's how Penny's posse was able to see it, and how Widmore was then able to locate it--it was stationary. When Ben turned the wheel and shit started popping, again, I assumed that the failsafe key had caused the wheel to stop moving. But then it seemed only to have an impact on our main cadre of losties, who experienced temporal displacement that seemed to affect nobody/nothing else.

This all seems pretty solid, but the island still has to be moving through time/space for the whole Ajira thing to happen. If it's still cruising around, then how the fuck ain't nobody got a nosebleed? Was that perhaps an issue of frequency of shifts, rather than the shifts themselves? Also having trouble figuring out why the sky isn't turning purple, every few days.

Sorry. Years ago, this was all pretty solid, for me. Used to be frustrated by people constantly being confused about all of this. Going back and watching stuff over again, though, I'm having trouble being as industrious as I once was. Damn it. Hoping that this all gets at least a nod or two, this season.

Fantastic episode.

Charles and Eloise certainly have knowledge of both time lines and are pushing for the timeline in which Daniel is alive? Selfish.

Episode should have been named Daniel Faraday's Lonely Hearts Club Band.

And yes, awesome episode.

pretty good

wait people liked this episode? i thought it was the worst one yet!

it was great!

i like the direction it is going, and i like the prospect of a hurley episode next week

so alt land is some bizarro wish fulfillment world

This might've been the first episode this season that I whole-heartedly loved. Except for maybe the first ten minutes, which were ehh.

LOVED this one.

I didn't like the first 10 minutes as they were happening, but later decided the payoff, ie the instant Desmond returns to consciousness on-island, was worth it.

wow. sorry dudes, but this episode is the one that finally convinced me that this show is not even slightly going to be able to come to any satisfying conclusion - there are 7 TV hours left to wrap up jin and sayid in the meatlocker, why eloise understands whats going on, sawyer arresting kate, a bunch of other alt world plotlines, oh and also that slight pesky aspect where there is this mysterious island that seems somehow important, despite it being kind of relegated to a minor sub plot at this point.

This should have been episode 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=vLhfxI8T2cU

DUDE JUST LET US ENJOY THIS EPISODE

I'm feeling you on the only 7 hours left point. So much wasted potential this season, when I'm just imagining how awesome this season could've been if they had gone with this sooner. But shit, episodes like this are why I started watching in the first place. Just the right balance of action and intrigue, with characters I like with comprehensible motivations.

Charles and Eloise certainly have knowledge of both time lines and are pushing for the timeline in which Daniel is alive? Selfish.

lol, but in fairness, original timeline whidmore seems to be pushing to preserve the original timeline. So maybe not selfish so much as just having a completely different perspective in this timeline.

"What do you know about X?!" is the new "That's not important right now" [as in 'what do you know about sacrifice/realistic/etc'].

Eloise & Desmond awesome. I felt like Faraday suddenly having and telling all this knowledge was a slight acknowledgement of 'shit we only have 7 eps left'. I guess it's confirming the bleeding timelines/ only Desmond knows both timelines kind of direction although it's taken its damn time getting here.

this episode ruled, sorry haters

Eloise is definitely a timelord.

jj otm this was wack... important, but wack

NOT PENNY'S BOAT gave me chills

if dudes don't wanna ride five and a half seasons in either
a. ur slow shoulda gtfo this thread a while ago
b. ur right it isn't as good but damn don't u feel boring, why not just enjoy it

xp I dunno, I was quite impressed that they hadn't done anything that obvious up til now. Still I think Desmond gets a free pass for that kind of thing, so I'll let them off.

yeah no this was the best episode of the season by a substantial margin.

man i dont even know what to say, i think maybe i dig this show for some pretty different reasons than you guys, none of which were fulfilled w/this ep

Loved this episode

i mean if you're watching strictly for answers and not to be entertained by giant electromagnetic coils inducing timeline jumping, then i guess it's a pretty shitty episode.

i thought desmond waking up on the island and knowing what is going on was amazing.

i thought desmond waking up on the island and knowing what is going on was amazing.

yss this was great--i wish ALL the characters on this show would be like desmond post-electric and just do what other ppl tell them without putting up a fight

i feel like we got a decent amount of answers AND moved the show toward the conclusion too, so im not sure what the answer brigade is complaining about

mister jim otm so nice to see understandable character motivation for once in this dam shows life

great episode, this is the kind of mindfuckery I wish they had been indulging in all season

Only bad part of ep was return of Charlie who frankly I was hoping would just die again.

naw even he was good

I hate his teeth.

racist

forgot to mention how much i love fisher stevens

had Fisher Stevens been on before, as a different character? I couldn't remember.

was he ... Indian?

He was Minkowski, the freighter's radio operator.

was he ... Indian?

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