"Aliens" : Some nice effects, but actually kind've a crap film.

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Ok, but was that a predator ship?

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Friday, 20 August 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i mean before Aliens it was done *soooo* many times

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i was so sick of confrontations between angry maternal types in exoskeletons and huge mother aliens by that point

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i know it was getting beyond a joke wasn't it.

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

er, more like the "oh goody baddies are dead let's go home oh wait they're still here *bang* now they're dead seeyalater chzthxbye" kind of lazy cliche seen in every horror movie ever.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

yes but at the time of the release of the film it wasn't really a cliche was it, especially in the setting and the specifics of the scene (ie alien coming out of bottom of ship sticks tail in android and rips him in two)

you can't say that thats a cliche can you?

The trouble is films since Aliens have robbed it to fuck and now admittedly watching it again it some parts seem cliched but you have to realise it was unique at the time and was, and remains to be, an absoloute classic

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of cliches, did Alien invent the Shock the Audience with a Cat and Seperate the Group with a Cat tricks?

Anyway:
Alien: claustrophobic atmosphere, good script, suspense, nasty shocks, superb design

Aliens: Suspense, nasty shocks, superb design and GUNS GUNS GUNS! LOTSA GUNS!

I declare a tie.

robster (robster), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Complaining that a Hollywood action movie contains a couple of cliches is like complaining that a 60s French film has too much smoking in it. Like, what the fuck did you expect?

Alien 3 is underrated, by the way.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Also applause request for Camerons use of Bishop and the will-he-won't-he factor carried on from the first films Ash character. A brilliant bit of film making which was abused to an extent in the third film and another reason why this thread should be renamed "Alien3 - Some nice effects, but actually kind've a crap film"

haha xpost

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

(applause)

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the idea of a franchise sci-fi universe revolving around the conflict between the Predator, Alien and Human species has a great deal of potential, if only producers would stop looking ONLY at flash cinematography (which the baseline art design offers in spades anyway) and try getting a decent STORY out of it for ONCE.

Alien: haven't seen it! wtf
Aliens: That's the clumsiest exoskeleton I've ever seen, HOMO SNAPIES U HAVE NO CHANCE 2 SURVIVE MAKE UR TIME, also kind of an injustice to the Aliens that they keep getting killed so easily, yes I understand the guns are big but seriously people, this is the most dangerous species in the galaxy, they don't need numbers to win
Alien 3: I have tried to watch this like 5 times and have been unable to figure out what is going on enough to bother sitting through the giger cave bukkake
Alien Resurrection: Am I the only person who thinks this would have been better standalone, without trying to tie in to the Alien franchise? Ron Perlman!!! Whoop

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 August 2004 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Alien: haven't seen it! wtf

Heavens! This is the best of the lot.

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Alien Resurrection is fabulous, yes. It wouldn't have made a lot of sense eliminating the Ripley-clone/Alien elements, though. Sigourney Weaver is actually hotter in A:R than in the original, too.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

kind've?????

Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

ron perlman, dan hedaya doing his bug-eyes thing, the pervy scientists, ron perlman, michael wincott (i love this guy!), the really gross fleshy alien child-of-ripley at the end. not even winona ryder as a robot as winona ryder can hurt this one.

g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"The trouble is films since Aliens have robbed it to fuck and now admittedly watching it again it some parts seem cliched but you have to realise it was unique at the time and was, and remains to be, an absoloute classic "

OTM.

i can't really participate in this thread objectively, as i'm an alien/aliens obsessive. but Alex, you ARE SO FUCKING WRONG!

ripley's character "humorless and wooden"? echhh. she is traumatized, she narrowly escaped being killed by a space monster. she is the only one who realizes how much of a threat the alien really represents, and she is exasperated by the marines and the company's incompetence. to her this is serious shit, the stakes are just too high if the aliens spread. and i think sigourney weaver nails this perfectly.

newt annoying? i've always thought that newt was one of the least annoying child characters in a movie like this. she doesn't even have that many lines!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't belive TOMBOT has never seein Alien. Remedy that, post-haste.

btw everybody I saw Sigourney at the Belmont last year and she's still SUPREMELY BEAUTIFUL at like 56 or whatever.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

as i'm an alien/aliens obsessive. but Alex, you ARE SO FUCKING WRONG!

No I'm not, actually. You're just a fanboy in denial.

she doesn't even have that many lines!

One doesn't need lots of lines to be annoying.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Sigourney Weaver's hottest moments are inarguably in The Year of Living Dangerously, with tiny Linda Hunt and Mel Gibson.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"No I'm not, actually. You're just a fanboy in denial."

why did i become a fanboy in the first place then, hmm?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Sigourney's hottest moments are, like, every moment she's taken a breath while being alive on this planet.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

She wasn't that hot with '80s hair in Ghostbusters.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

SO WRONG.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

http://sfstory.free.fr/images/Alien4/20.jpg

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

http://sfstory.free.fr/images/Alien4/20.jpg

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Heartbreakers would have been so much better if it turned into an Alien movie halfway through.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah she looks hottt in that pic, woohoo!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i actually think this is a really canny film. i mean it's not the kind of thing i will watch 50 times and find something new each time, but it's pretty provocative and exciting the first few times. i think the script is very well-constructed even if it's not the most literate or even believeable thing on a line-by-line level. i think james cameron has a good story sense.

amateur!!!st, Friday, 20 August 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

alien3 is the sequel to dune.

amateur!!st, Friday, 20 August 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

OTM.

"But why would a space-age forklift come equipped with one?"

welding?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

ps. tiny pedantry from earlier - the new Exorcist movie is a prequel.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Heavens! This is the best of the lot.

I was about to say! Tom, trust me, it's worth it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

why did i become a fanboy in the first place then, hmm?

Perhaps, like I was, you were intrigued by the first film. Unlike me, however, your blind devotion to the promise of the first one makes you overlook the flaws of the second.

ps. tiny pedantry from earlier - the new Exorcist movie is a prequel. ?

Duly noted, Stence. But why do we need one of those either?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

because the Max von Sydow character is cool?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

actually i've never seen any of the alien films.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(psych)

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i will concede that the first alien is the best, though.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't even read all of this thread b/c the need to say:
Aliens is great, I love Aliens! is too much to hold in. I've even watched it on tv *dubbed in French* and loved it. Um. Yeah.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

because the Max von Sydow character is cool?

True, but von Sydow isn't playing said character. I believe the guy playing him is the advanced-Calculus genius from Eastern Europe with the fancy scarf that pals around with Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting. To which I say: why?

The Exorcist is fine where it is. Leave it there.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The other day I was talking about self-destruct mechanisms and how everything in action films has one. Yet I believe most fighterplanes, boats, cars and computers don't actually have them... So, why the hell would a space-mining ship have a self-destruct mechanism? Certainly there are answers, but they don't matter because: it's a big huge suspense/action film about virtually unkillable aliens!

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

submarines had them

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Friday, 20 August 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

True, but von Sydow isn't playing said character. I believe the guy playing him is the advanced-Calculus genius from Eastern Europe with the fancy scarf that pals around with Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting. To which I say: why?

because von Sydow is 80billyion years old and this is supposed to be about him as a young priest, duh!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

"I can't believe River Phoenix played a young Indiana Jones! Why didn't they get Harrison Ford to play him?"

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Aliens is one of the best movies ever - military action in a totally realized and believable future, with the aforementioned gender trouble subtexts, etc etc. The dropship, apc, pulse rifles, machine guns are all exquisitly designed too.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Spencer I think I disagree with all but about 5 words of that post and none of them are nouns. If the art design in Aliens had been worth a piss, besides the Aliens themselves, I would have loved it, been a fanboy from the start. Seriously, man, years and years in the future and the coolest weapon is a machinegun with a red LED counter on it to tell you how many bullets are left? Fuckin' eat me. The exoskeleton was stupid too. How the fuck do you build an android like Bishop and then everything else is so utterly dumb and retro? Believable my ass, the future of "Aliens" is a wad of unimaginative shit. God. I think you hit a nerve.

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 August 2004 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

um, bladerunner to thread.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Bladerunner had flying cars with gullwing doors, hello.

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 August 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

the art design of the 2nd one pales in comparison to the first, but i still think the story is better. i mean the mechanics of the thing.

i do not quite understand the profound awe that blade runner inspires in so many people.

amateur!!!st, Friday, 20 August 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Bladerunner: set in Los Angeles
Aliens: not

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Hell, Starship Troopers to thread while we're at it then

TOMBOT, Friday, 20 August 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link


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