Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

that said i forgot that the last time we saw Mrs Faraday she was talking to Widmore outside that church so probably gave him the same info about the "window" that the Ajira flight took

Also that giant pendulum thing that detects the Island, I don't think that one's even a mystery.

The explanations for all the Dharma stations are great, it's always like "ah some stupid experiments, who cares?" The Swan and the Looking Glass are the only interesting ones.

Also, Miles was unfunny for the first time ever this week. Are they keeping him and Lapidus round for any reason other than that it's useful for plot reasons to have a pilot and a guy who talks to dead people hanging around?

Don't believe mib needs all the candidates together to leave, whoever said he just wants to kill them all otm.

Is the fact the monster tried to pull Locke underground in s1 significant at all? I mean as opposed to murdering him?

lapidus is so hammy in his acting that it's really distracting

Is the fact the monster tried to pull Locke underground in s1 significant at all? I mean as opposed to murdering him?

"He's only got one kidney - perfect!"

i don't think we are giving Jack enough of a hard time for "I GUESS NO-ONE TOLD IT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DIE" btw

I just roll my eyes at everything Jack says.

Not much of a gardener, but do tomatoes really need continual, periodic human intervention to grow anyway?

pretty sure they need an island without a feral pig population

Really, they can't grow if there are predators around?

I don't know enough to say. You might get a few self-seeding stragglers, but fewer every year probably. I've had a couple of amusing experiences with tomato plants coming up in difficult circumstances. My question is, where did Sun get the original tomato seeds to plant?

I really think that the pigs would take care of any untended tomatoes. And pigs have extremely efficient digestive tracts -- tomato seeds wouldn't pass through undigested to self-seed where the droppings landed.

oh i see. thanks.

Didn't mind the Sun forgetting English thing so much, it's exactly the sort of Lost contrivance we've come to expect, and it was an obvious callback to her Season 1 days.

Instead of that being a stagey callback to S1, I'm starting to buy the idea that her forgetting English on the island since she never learned it in the alt is an indicator that the two realities are affecting each other. (Though since the show always maintains ambiguity either explanation could be true.) It's going to get really weird if the two timelines merge.

well considering we've already seen signs of the island reality manifesting itself in the ALT it seems very likely it's going both ways

oh the reason sun ran into the tree is because her head is so large

Lapidus' hamminess was kind of awesome though - it made me want the actor to get a post-Lost gig as some sort of 1980's grizzled TV private eye type who lives on a boat and has a robot or a helicopter helicopter and gets people out of jams every week.

maybe in the alt hurley becomes a bird and then he goes back in time to say his own name to himself

a fried of mine who listens to that podcast shit said the creators are going to explain the bird thing so I'm just getting my bitchin in while I can

oh ffs really? it's actually a thing? please no...

srsly how many times have u brought up the fucking bird already

the bird was just a joke on the viewers who try to read too much into this show. Hurley's always played the "voice of the audience" role. See: all those people insisting Keamy said "island" instead of "to ya." (Even Vozzek insists it was island!)

the horse was definitely Sawyer tho. FYI.

Best thing about this season: ThinkGeek brings the April 1 joy

http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/dharma-alarm-clock.shtml?icpg=Carousel_DharmaClock_5

oh my god I would give up the iPhone SleepCycle app for that in a heartbeat. <3

lol i just tried buy it

last year's Tauntaun Sleeping Bag was enough of a hit that it eventually made it to production, so ya never know...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0MX6oqJBno

ha ha i did think Keamy said something about the island, for a few seconds

Yeah, I clicked back & listened to it again.

I wonder if Flocke stole Sun's ability to speak English.

Sun bumping her head and then not speaking English provoked the exact same reaction in me as 24 Season 1 where Jack's wife falls over and forgets everything.

i.e. FUCK YOU
although quite liking the 'bleeding realities' theory so I'll give her a chance.

I'm starting to buy the idea that her forgetting English on the island since she never learned it in the alt is an indicator that the two realities are affecting each other.

this is definitely what's happening. Keamy may have said "island", I dunno. I do think that there are people in the alt who are aware of what's happening in every timeline (Widmore, maybe Hawking).

also really interested in the idea that the flashbacks weren't really flashbacks, but something else (i.e. another alt). hoping this gets fleshed out soon.

there's a consistent theme of people being in the WRONG timeline, like when Desmond walked into the jewelry store. I think that is especially relevant to the alt timeline and why Desmond has appeared on the island.

i still think Jack is aware of what's happening in the alt, or at least he's definitely not completely up to speed on what his life there is supposed to be

I'm not the only fuckin one!!!!!!

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I'm starting to buy the idea that her forgetting English on the island since she never learned it in the alt is an indicator that the two realities are affecting each other.

This totally makes sense, b/c in the off-island scenario she secretly took English comprehension and writing lessons.

I really hope its just that they realised how annoying/dull Sun had become so let's just stop her talking for a while. also no way would she have the balls to call Alpert an idiot in English.

Did I imagine it, or did she write emoticons in that Rx pad Jack gave her?

Sun lays it down

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^ click for 7mb animated gif version

This has already been addressed but Jack's tomato was like Andie Macdowell end of 4 weddings + a funeral "oh is it raining I hadn't noticed" level of cringe.

I thought the tomato was actually pretty nice! But I'm a sap.

there's a consistent theme of people being in the WRONG timeline, like when Desmond walked into the jewelry store. I think that is especially relevant to the alt timeline and why Desmond has appeared on the island

Oh, good call. I forgot how he has deja vu in that episode, and can predict some details, but his recollections of things that haven't happened yet aren't completely accurate. Remembering another timeline?

I want Widmore's 'they'll all cease to be' fleshed out. I don't think he means 'die', but 'vanish from existence', like the island is the aleph point between realities and for MIB to leave the island would invalidate one, many, or all timelines. At this point the audience really needs to know what's at stake should MIB escape the island other than just 'it's bad, you'll have to trust me on this'.

"the whole world will ~die~" is such a boring threat imo. like if everyone, including the viewer, is gonna get aced then who cares. smaller dramas are much more interesting. so if it's an aleph or a nuke or five times bigger insects isn't an issue---everyone is dead, boo hoo

would be much more if the threat was specific to a character I gave a shit about, which is basically just hurley at this point

^^ OTM this is just poor craftsmanship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLyfgvByE7Q

I have spent a good chunk of the last week getting myself all kinds of re-confused, re: the time discrepancies between the island and the outside world that were all the rage back in season 4. I'm talking about the doctor from the freighter floating ashore, dead, while he was still alive on the boat. And, of course, the whole payload thing, where the counters revealed that the rocket took longer to arrive on the island than it seemed to, from off shore. Etc.. This is what I get for going back and re-watching all this shit, in anticipation of the series finale.

Anyway. As far as I recall, we never really got a reasonable explanation for any of this, and I can't find any theories that aren't wildly inconsistent and self-nullifying. Anybody? I can't stop trying and failing to figure out how the rest of the world had gone ahead the same number of days as everybody on the island, in 2004, if time was moving more quickly on the island. Amongst other things, of course. That just seems a really convenient way to bundle this whole thing. Damn it.

Something to do with the Island constantly moving through time/being invisible to the outside world maybe? I find it difficult to believe they'd go through a Desmond episode without at least addressing all that stuff, if only in a throwaway, hand-wavy way.

I doubt there's a satisfactory answer that allows the island to be either ahead in time (dead doctor) OR behind in time (missile test payload), but yet still a place you can reliably get to by following the right bearing in your helicopter/submarine.

Also, when did Tom Friendly find the time to get off-island to hang out with his gay lover and also Michael? He is on-island for seemingly all of season 3, during which the submarine is exploded, but Michael is on-island during season 2. How did he get there without the submarine?

It's already been hand-waved, though. The electromagnetic energy pockets underneath the island cause disruptions in space/time, so anything that doesn't approach the island on the appropriate bearings gets screwed up - the time displaced objects, the doctor corpse, the time sickness. Time doesn't move more quickly on the island, it's just stuff that drops onto the island in the "wrong way" - mostly the Kahana and associated folks dropping in during Season 4 - gets affected.

Otherwise time passes normally on the island, it's not affected by the time travelers or the "time barrier" around the island. I don't see any holes here? I know there's the whole "the island moves constantly in space and time" bit from Season 5 but I don't see that contradicting anything.

As hokey as it sounds, that "correct bearing" explanation makes good, solid sense. In the world of Lost. Dislike it as I do, I was overlooking all of that.

My next hang-up is the "always moving through space/time" stuff. I see it as the discharge/failsafe from the season 2 finale causing it all to stop, as a result of the energy pocket under the Swan being dissipated. That's how Penny's posse was able to see it, and how Widmore was then able to locate it--it was stationary. When Ben turned the wheel and shit started popping, again, I assumed that the failsafe key had caused the wheel to stop moving. But then it seemed only to have an impact on our main cadre of losties, who experienced temporal displacement that seemed to affect nobody/nothing else.

This all seems pretty solid, but the island still has to be moving through time/space for the whole Ajira thing to happen. If it's still cruising around, then how the fuck ain't nobody got a nosebleed? Was that perhaps an issue of frequency of shifts, rather than the shifts themselves? Also having trouble figuring out why the sky isn't turning purple, every few days.

Sorry. Years ago, this was all pretty solid, for me. Used to be frustrated by people constantly being confused about all of this. Going back and watching stuff over again, though, I'm having trouble being as industrious as I once was. Damn it. Hoping that this all gets at least a nod or two, this season.

Fantastic episode.